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14 hours ago, Nik Habicht said:

Call the RM every-time you adjust too, right?  You're not going to convince me, that calibration is perfect when a competitor centerpunches a popper and it doesn't fall, but it falls to the RM's bullet minutes later.....

 

What if the round was loaded light?  

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Least Favorite:  9.6.2 The Range Official responsible for a course of fire may stipulate that the scoring process will begin while a competitor is actually completing a course of fire...

 

I find this practice to be confusing, disruptive to the Assistant RO's primary duties, and unsafe...not worth the time saved.

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On 4/8/2017 at 11:07 AM, Schutzenmeister said:

Generally speaking, it is good practice (and manners!) to do your inspection/check/minor adjustments BETWEEN squads ... Try whenever possible to AVOID doing it in the middle of a squad.

When serving as an RM, that was generally my mindset for the staff.  I also requested that they call for recalibration -- but that was generally speaking easy to get done during turnaround between squads.  They'd call me first, and I'd generally be on the bay while they were finishing the adjustments.  The actual calibration added maybe 30 seconds, for loading/shooting/unloading/resetting routine....

 

Not a big deal -- and then you know that you didn't set it too heavy. 

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On 4/8/2017 at 1:45 PM, 2MoreChains said:

 

What if the round was loaded light?  

See that a lot on the range with major pf ammo going subminor?

 

I don't even see that with the minor pf ammo I load -- but then I shoot a random 10% of each batch over the chrono, and reject the entire batch if a single round doesn't make my desired pf of 132.  And I've left poppers standing that were center punched....

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We'll never know if the round was loaded light after it was shot, will we?  Statistically you might say that it is a pretty low likelihood of it happening, but even a 1 in 1,000 could sneak thru unless you chrono every round shot.  

 

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40 minutes ago, 2MoreChains said:

We'll never know if the round was loaded light after it was shot, will we?  Statistically you might say that it is a pretty low likelihood of it happening, but even a 1 in 1,000 could sneak thru unless you chrono every round shot.  

 

 

Isn't there an App for that?  ;-)

 

 

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Least favorite: Rule allowing RO warnings - "finger" or "muzzle" should be silence or "STOP". At best concentration is lost at worst it can cause an AD.

 

Favorite rule: No limit on mag capacity in Open or Limited. Really makes some stages interesting deciding on mag changes or none at all sometimes.

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On 3/28/2017 at 9:38 PM, Sarge said:

Least Favorite-  10.2.1  A competitor who fires shots while any part of their body is touching the ground or while stepping on an object beyond a Shooting Box or a Fault Line, or who gains support or stability through contact with an object which is wholly beyond and not attached to a Shooting Box or Fault Line, will receive one procedural penalty for each occurrence. However, if the competitor has gained a significant advantage on any target(s) while faulting, the competitor may instead be assessed one procedural penalty for each shot fired at the subject target(s) while faulting. 

 

I agree with Sarge on this one...makes the call "subjective" and similar to the "other" gun sport. Having an opinion should not be a rule.

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On 3/28/2017 at 11:10 PM, George Jones said:

Favorite:  9.5.6 - The minimum score for a course of fire or string will be zero.

 

:wub:

 


I do like this rule, otherwise, they would be taking points away from me at other stages, it would definitely make people shoot stages, like standards a lot more conservatively.

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minor/major!

 

I think power factors are completely stupid!

 

i use to shoot major limited, and sometimes major limited...but only because i have to in order to be competitive..it shouldn't exist..i understand you regret buying your .40, i know i do

 

that's why upon my triumphant return, i am only shooting production and carry optics, because of no minor/major.

 

the bench

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On ‎3‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 11:34 PM, Southpaw said:

Favorite - I guess 1.1.5 Freestyle

 

Least favorite - 10 round limit in Production

this is my 2nd most hated rule.

 

i live in whats suppose to be a free country. i shouldn't have to punished due to socialist states.

 

the bench

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On ‎3‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 11:34 PM, Southpaw said:

Favorite - I guess 1.1.5 Freestyle

 

Least favorite - 10 round limit in Production

also, another reason i like carry optics

 

the bench

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2 hours ago, benchmstr said:

this is my 2nd most hated rule.

 

i live in whats suppose to be a free country. i shouldn't have to punished due to socialist states.

 

the bench

 

meh. there are plenty of hi-cap divisions to shoot. I really like the 10-round production rule because it allows a variety of manufacturers, models, (and even calibers), instead of being *only* a handful of super-hi-cap 9mm guns. LEO's can shoot their 40 or 45 duty guns (and I know some that do). Probably a 15-round limit would be more newb-friendly (fewer mag pouches and magazines to buy), but all in all, you have to admit that production (and now CO) are the only divisions where you really see people being competitive with a variety of equipment.

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18 minutes ago, motosapiens said:

 

meh. there are plenty of hi-cap divisions to shoot. I really like the 10-round production rule because it allows a variety of manufacturers, models, (and even calibers), instead of being *only* a handful of super-hi-cap 9mm guns. LEO's can shoot their 40 or 45 duty guns (and I know some that do). Probably a 15-round limit would be more newb-friendly (fewer mag pouches and magazines to buy), but all in all, you have to admit that production (and now CO) are the only divisions where you really see people being competitive with a variety of equipment.

I agree, but I also agree that a glock 19, which is designed to carry 15 rounds in its production form should be allowed to carry 15 rounds...if it is a production gun, it should be allowed to be used as the factory intended it.

 

I don't shoot an xdm, but know that a factory xdm mag holds 19 rounds..does that put me at a disadvantage if I am shooting a glock? maybe, but I could always by a factory gun to compete more evenly if I choose.

 

nothing will ever get me to agree with mag capacity limits in competition shooting. I understand everything else, unless it comes to minor/major, and mag capacity. its something that has quietly irritated me for a better part of a decade.

 

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1 hour ago, benchmstr said:

I agree, but I also agree that a glock 19, which is designed to carry 15 rounds in its production form should be allowed to carry 15 rounds...if it is a production gun, it should be allowed to be used as the factory intended it.

 

I don't shoot an xdm, but know that a factory xdm mag holds 19 rounds..does that put me at a disadvantage if I am shooting a glock? maybe, but I could always by a factory gun to compete more evenly if I choose.

 

nothing will ever get me to agree with mag capacity limits in competition shooting. I understand everything else, unless it comes to minor/major, and mag capacity. its something that has quietly irritated me for a better part of a decade.

 

the bench

You want a sport to appeal to more people, and the biggest complaint you get is "it's too expensive to compete against race guns". Sounds like the obvious solution is to create a level playing field where equipment and money isn't perceived to dictate how you finish.

 

Without a capacity limit, everyone would be forced to shoot a small number of above average capacity production guns or find themselves at a disadvantage; again making it exclusive in a regard.

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14 hours ago, benchmstr said:

I agree, but I also agree that a glock 19, which is designed to carry 15 rounds in its production form should be allowed to carry 15 rounds...if it is a production gun, it should be allowed to be used as the factory intended it.

 

I don't shoot an xdm, but know that a factory xdm mag holds 19 rounds..does that put me at a disadvantage if I am shooting a glock? maybe, but I could always by a factory gun to compete more evenly if I choose.

 

nothing will ever get me to agree with mag capacity limits in competition shooting. I understand everything else, unless it comes to minor/major, and mag capacity. its something that has quietly irritated me for a better part of a decade.

 

the bench

You obviously don't agree if you don't see that the obvious result of  not having a capacity limit would be very expensive and impractical race-only guns being a requirement to be competitive. Imho it's really the only thing that makes production not silly.

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+ 3 or 4 or whatever on 10.2.1

 

I like this part of the rule.... "Shots fired after completely (both feet out and touching the ground) leaving a shooting area will be penalized one penalty per shot until the competitor establishes a presence in a new shooting area with at least one foot on the ground inside the shooting area." but hate the part that says "if the competitor has gained a significant advantage on any target(s) while faulting,".

 

I think the rule should be simplified to be 1 foot touching out = one penalty per occurrence. two feet touching out should be per shot. get rid of the subjective-ness regarding whether any advantage gained was significant. Is an easier lean significant? Is a better view through a port significant? I tend to think ANYTHING that takes away from the shooting challenge is significant. But that others might view that differently doesn't make either viewpoint "wrong..." and that's why it needs fixed.

 

-rvb

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9 minutes ago, rvb said:

I think the rule should be simplified to be 1 foot touching out = one penalty per occurrence. two feet touching out should be per shot. get rid of the subjective-ness regarding whether any advantage gained was significant. Is an easier lean significant? Is a better view through a port significant?

 

I can think of some places where I would certainly choose to shoot an entire array with one foot, take my 1 penalty per occurrence, and go hella-faster.

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1 minute ago, motosapiens said:

 

I can think of some places where I would certainly choose to shoot an entire array with one foot, take my 1 penalty per occurrence, and go hella-faster.

 

As could I.  But If we know that's the ruling, stage designers could plan around that. Or let gamers game. I would make that trade for a better ruleset.

 

-rvb

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4 minutes ago, rvb said:

 

As could I.  But If we know that's the ruling, stage designers could plan around that. Or let gamers game. I would make that trade for a better ruleset.

 

-rvb

i think that would be a worse ruleset, but I've never had much trouble with the fault line rules. a long-legged person could easily skip entire positions by taking a penalty and shooting them from somewhere else. It would be a nightmare trying to proof stages against stuff like that.

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