theglockman34 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 does anyone run in the open division without a dot and just run with a compensator magwell and iron sights?? if you do please post a pic of your gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 You could ... but why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 2 hours ago, teros135 said: You could ... but why? Minimal offset. Easier to switch between Limited and Open as index would be the same. But yeah, the dot is half the fun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 25+ years ago we all did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 46 minutes ago, jcc7x7 said: 25+ years ago we all did Yes, with whopping 10 round .38 super mags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Hi-Power Jack said: Yes, with whopping 10 round .38 super mags. A new division lol COG = classic open gun Yea buddy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Hi-Power Jack said: Yes, with whopping 10 round .38 super mags. A new division lol COG = classic open gun Yea buddy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I've done it in a classifier match. Shot my Lim gun in Open just do it because I wanted a classification in Open, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) The dot is the biggest advantage in Open, next comes the big stick, then the comp. I would run a dot and no comp before I ran a comp with no dot. Edited March 23, 2017 by kneelingatlas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I couldn't do that even if I wanted to. The way my eyes are now it's no dot, no shoot. I'll be experimenting shortly with a dot only in Open Minor just to see if it has any advantage over the Open Major I now shoot. After that I'll put in some poppels to see if that helps. I actually preferred Limited. If I owned any pistol legal for Production, I'd shoot CO. I'd rank the advantages as dot first, then comp/ports and then the big stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sporky Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Corey said: I've done it in a classifier match. Shot my Lim gun in Open just do it because I wanted a classification in Open, lol. Yeah but you are a "special needs" case. Short bus riders need not apply....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, kneelingatlas said: The dot is the biggest advantage in Open, next comes the big stick, then the comp. I would run a dot and no comp before I ran a comp with no dot. I'd rate the big stick before the dot but that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeski Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Corey said: I've done it in a classifier match. Shot my Lim gun in Open just do it because I wanted a classification in Open, lol. I've done the same thing to help get enough for an initial classification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davsco Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mikeski said: I've done the same thing to help get enough for an initial classification. sandbagger (cough, cough) ahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeski Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, davsco said: sandbagger (cough, cough) ahahaha No I just suck no matter what gun I use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 I'd rate the big stick before the dot but that's just me. No way. I would shoot with 10 round mags before I gave up the dot. The only 2 things the big stick allows is opening up some stage planning ideas (in certain situations) and leaving you with a bunch of makeups on steel, allowing you to shoot much more aggressively (in your mind, because it's still faster to go 1 for 1 rather than spray 12 bullets at 6 targets. It just can give you additional confidence to go faster.)The dot on the other hand, is faster and more precise than irons in every situation. Moving targets? Partials? Ease of shot calling? All go to the dot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Gooldylocks said: No way. I would shoot with 10 round mags before I gave up the dot. The only 2 things the big stick allows is opening up some stage planning ideas (in certain situations) and leaving you with a bunch of makeups on steel, allowing you to shoot much more aggressively (in your mind, because it's still faster to go 1 for 1 rather than spray 12 bullets at 6 targets. It just can give you additional confidence to go faster.) The dot on the other hand, is faster and more precise than irons in every situation. Moving targets? Partials? Ease of shot calling? All go to the dot. No way. I would put my money on a GM with a big stick and irons in a 10 stage match over the same GM with 10 rounds mags and a dot. That is a no brainer. A big stick allows you to reload wherever you want or not at all on some stages. This time savings is worth far more than any time gained from shooting a dot. Edited March 24, 2017 by d_striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 I would put my money on a GM with a big stick and irons in a 10 stage match over the same GM with 10 rounds mags and a dot. That is a no brainer.I volunteer as tribute. Find me a match they will let me shoot twice afterwards and an iron sighted open gun, I will test it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ano Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 depends on stage hitfactor and stagetime. anything not stupidly designed, the dot wins hands down. but hey, Im only M ranked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 1 hour ago, d_striker said: No way. I would put my money on a GM with a big stick and irons in a 10 stage match over the same GM with 10 rounds mags and a dot. That is a no brainer. A big stick allows you to reload wherever you want or not at all on some stages. This time savings is worth far more than any time gained from shooting a dot. Just curious. Are you a GM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 I was actually thinking about this further. I could potentially run this test, and I think I know how logistically it would work. I shoot a local match with my open gun. After match I reshoot match with 9mm limited gun with minor ammo (but score it major) and big sticks. Reshoot match AGAIN with open gun and 10 round magazines.Now where is my ammo sponsor....Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 1 hour ago, teros135 said: Just curious. Are you a GM? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 18 minutes ago, Gooldylocks said: I was actually thinking about this further. I could potentially run this test, and I think I know how logistically it would work. I shoot a local match with my open gun. After match I reshoot match with 9mm limited gun with minor ammo (but score it major) and big sticks. Reshoot match AGAIN with open gun and 10 round magazines. Now where is my ammo sponsor.... Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk That sounds like a good experiment. I think it's largely dependent on stage design. If it's an entire match of run here shoot 8, run there shoot 8, etc., then I think it'd prob be a wash. A GM isn't going to lose much, if any, time reloading if they have a good amount of space between arrays. If there are stages where you can shoot out of one position and into another with not a lot of room for reloads, big stick/irons takes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 54 minutes ago, Gooldylocks said: I was actually thinking about this further. I could potentially run this test, and I think I know how logistically it would work. I shoot a local match with my open gun. After match I reshoot match with 9mm limited gun with minor ammo (but score it major) and big sticks. Reshoot match AGAIN with open gun and 10 round magazines. Now where is my ammo sponsor.... Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk I like your thinking, but while I image GMs can shoot at top form I fear us mere mortals would improve on our second and third time's through, making a bigger difference that the equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 I like your thinking, but while I image GMs can shoot at top form I fear us mere mortals would improve on our second and third time's through, making a bigger difference that the equipment.I mean, everyone is going to be affected by getting additional runs at a stage. But if you were able to shoot the match the whole way through with one gun, take a short break and the shoot it all the way through again, take a short break and shoot it a third time, I don't think it would be that huge of an advantage.And I think as far as getting a balanced test goes, that would be the best way to control your variables Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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