ski_dog Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 How many people are using an SBR in PCC competitions? Do you see any issues? Link to comment
MAC702 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Good question. It seems the way to go for me. My only SBR is a Colt M4, and I didn't want a 9mm upper for a standard AR lower, nor the hassle of another registration, so I didn't do SBR. I'm also not really into PCC for USPSA yet, but more for certain multigun matches that allow it, like Hard as Hell. So, I went with a standard-length CZ Scorpion and am looking forward to trying it out. If I was hardcore into PCC, I think the SBR is the way to go, especially for barricades, walls, etc. As for issues, there may be some states where you can't take it if you travel for matches. And there are some who think that you have to file paperwork every time you want to take it out of state, even if it's not for commercial purposes. Link to comment
Shepard Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 95% of the time barrel length doesn't matter to me but I shot a match last weekend where the walls were so close on some of the stages it felt like I was in a phonebooth. Definitely could've used an SBR. Link to comment
Bob Hostetter Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 I have both, currently I prefer the 16" over then 10". Link to comment
OPENB Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 I also have both, & look forward to trying both to figure which I like better. Link to comment
Shepard Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 20 hours ago, Bob Hostetter said: I have both, currently I prefer the 16" over then 10". What is it about the 16" that you prefer? Link to comment
Bob Hostetter Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Really light and short is cool for high round count close in stuff but it doesn't like to stabilize on the longer, tighter targets. The best balance is probably going to be around 12-13" Link to comment
sweatpants Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I'm sure I'm missing something but pistol barrels are 6" or shorter and are mechanically capable of considerable accuracy? Link to comment
MAC702 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) delete. (Why does BEnos have such a horrible text editor?) Edited April 1, 2017 by MAC702 Link to comment
sousa Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 My Uzi is a 10.25" SBR and I have no trouble making hits at extended ranges. My AR is a 10.5" SBR and I also have no issues. The statement above about bullets not stabilizing on longer tighter targets is odd to me since most pistol barrels used in this game are 4.5-6" and people can make their hits at extended ranges no problem. Link to comment
jmnielsen Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Really light and short is cool for high round count close in stuff but it doesn't like to stabilize on the longer, tighter targets. The best balance is probably going to be around 12-13" Please provide evidence of "not stabilizing on longer, tighter targets." Until then, it's nothing but an opinion.I have filed a form 1 but it will be a while until it shows up. I don't see how it would be anything other than beneficial to shoot an SBR. Easier around barricades, through ports, less mass to swing, etc. Link to comment
Nathanb Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 I've shot my mpx out to 50 yards with 147s and didn't see any signs of non stabilization. Just perfectly round holes Link to comment
OPENB Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 (edited) I'm guessing, but I think he's talking about the muzzle being "jumpy" or how it swings, or tracks, or settles down on long targets, not the bullets stabilizing. I think this is a practice & training issue. Edited April 1, 2017 by OPENB Link to comment
lcambre Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 I shot an 8" SIG MPX last year. The upside was on using it on stages with tight corridors. The downside was with starts that have the muzzle on an X. They would put them low or off to the side so it works well for 16" but is a bit awkward for short barrels. Link to comment
Bob Hostetter Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) I was referring to the ability to control group size, not prevent bullet tumbling. More about the whole gun stabilizing not the bullet. We regularly shoot our PCC's out to 100 plus yards and the long barrel/gun seems better at those extended distances. We have PCC's in our R&D shop with barrels ranging from 4" to 16" and we carefully record all test results. And of course its just opinion, but it is opinion based on daily real world experience. As far as proof, not sure what to offer. I did have a few PCC's at Area 1 for a fund raiser this weekend ranging from 4" to 16" that a couple of 100 people shot. If you would have come by I would have let you try them at 100 yards to see for yourself. Your results might have been different then mine. Edited April 3, 2017 by Bob Hostetter Link to comment
chopinlover Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 On 4/2/2017 at 7:17 AM, lcambre said: I shot an 8" SIG MPX last year. The upside was on using it on stages with tight corridors. The downside was with starts that have the muzzle on an X. They would put them low or off to the side so it works well for 16" but is a bit awkward for short barrels. muzzle on an X? Link to comment
MAC702 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 5 hours ago, chopinlover said: muzzle on an X? A common PCC starting position now is specific that the buttstock should touch the belt and the muzzle should touch an X on the wall; keeping everyone starting the same, unlike the bastardized positions that "port arms" and "low ready" have become. Link to comment
chopinlover Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 13 minutes ago, MAC702 said: A common PCC starting position now is specific that the buttstock should touch the belt and the muzzle should touch an X on the wall; keeping everyone starting the same, unlike the bastardized positions that "port arms" and "low ready" have become. Got u. I know the stock touching belt part, but never known the X thing. Thanks for the info! Link to comment
gunther Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 My only issue, is my arm is to long. It's right next to the muzzle.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment
Les Snyder Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 my registered SBR is a 5.56 and I use a Macon Armory mag block and Metalform Colt style mags for my 9mm 10" upper... my regular PCC is a NFA Glock lower 16" upper... I prefer the Glock mags, but like the 10" for a non USPSA run and gun match that typically has pretty tight in quarters Link to comment
troupe Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 My SBR is set up with a 13.5 barrel and I like the set up. There has been a couple of spots that I needed to pull the rifle back for movement, but I don't think it slowed me down enough. I guess when you are already slow, a small amount won't be noticed. I also have long arms, so I would not go any shorter. My handguard tube is a 12.5 , so for me , I would not go shorter. Link to comment
kujo929 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I use an 8.5" AR variant. It's nice and quick. I just mess around in PCC though. The serious guys locally are all running 16"Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment
Tampa-XD45 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 9mm SBR all the way. I've been using a 7.5" barrel for 3 years. The only minor drawback is having to fill out ATF Form 20 – 5320.20 Application to Transport in duplicate if you want to shoot your SBR in a different state. My 10.5" 556 AR also get much more use than the 18" version. Link to comment
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