zeroryde Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 So far, I basically ordered everything from CGW and this is what I installed so far. 11lb recoil, 11.5 lb hammer, RP firing pin spring and extended firing pin, RP trigger return spring, t1 disco and CGW race hammer with adj sear. I got average of 6.75-7 DA pulls with crisp 2.75 avg SA pulls. I was using Freedom Munitions American Steel and got 2-3 "light" strikes out of 200 rounds tested yesterday. I believe they're just hard primers because they don't really look like light hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFlynn Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 This is a great thread, thanks for posting and sharing the related modifications for the Shadow 2 for those of us lucky enough to come to own one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPsaw475 Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 8 hours ago, zeroryde said: So far, I basically ordered everything from CGW and this is what I installed so far. 11lb recoil, 11.5 lb hammer, RP firing pin spring and extended firing pin, RP trigger return spring, t1 disco and CGW race hammer with adj sear. I got average of 6.75-7 DA pulls with crisp 2.75 avg SA pulls. I was using Freedom Munitions American Steel and got 2-3 "light" strikes out of 200 rounds tested yesterday. I believe they're just hard primers because they don't really look like light hits. Was the T1 disco that much different than the stock shadow 2 one? I was going to try and fit a T3. I hear conflicting info. Found one today, my S2 urban grey is otw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeroryde Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Was the T1 disco that much different than the stock shadow 2 one? I was going to try and fit a T3. I hear conflicting info. Found one today, my S2 urban grey is otw.It helped remove the pretravel in SA. It was a significant difference.. probably by 1.5-2 mmSent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 T1 or T3 disco should makea massive difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPsaw475 Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 1 hour ago, zeroryde said: It helped remove the pretravel in SA. It was a significant difference.. probably by 1.5-2 mm Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChef1 Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 2 hours ago, RIPsaw475 said: Was the T1 disco that much different than the stock shadow 2 one? I was going to try and fit a T3. I hear conflicting info. Found one today, my S2 urban grey is otw. I fit the t3 and it was a huge difference. I ended up removing a little more material than necessary to create a small amount of pre travel. It was next to nothing but I wanted a little travel. Definitely worth the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) On 5/1/2017 at 8:17 AM, rowdyb said: i'm still not shooting it very well at anything over 20 yards. which i bet is 80% me and 20% my ammo. Not sure what changed, but 20 rounds yesterday at 20 yards with my standard ammo (range brass,147sns,3.2 titegroup,1,15 oal) looked pretty good. I blame the fliers on me and tend to think that 8 rounds on or touching the paster is about the gun, smooth part of the plate is a 5" circle & head box of a USPSA target is 6x6, so since I can not shoot well enough to tell improvement & do not have a ransom rest I am going to call this good to go. I have no idea why I circled 4 shots. Edit, swine memory, fliers on first 10 shot group. Edited May 3, 2017 by IHAVEGAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheby Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 I am little puzzled with your guys reports on shooting groups with Shadow 2. I have done a LOT (at least 5K rounds) of group shooting with various accu-shadows, shadows, and now shadow 2 for the last year or two. Frankly I do not see much difference between all of them. I always shoot groups unsupported; the group size varies depending of the day and ammo. It does take some time (For me) to get tuned and stay focused when I am shooting groups. I have shot 2" groups (5 shots) at 25 yards with all of them many times after I warmed up. I also can keep all the shots in the A- zone at 50 yrds. The worst accuracy I get it is usually with Xtreme bullets. My coated loads (147gr SNS and Blue Bullets) are usually more consistent. I also feel that 124gr are more accurate (Perhaps). New, unfamiliar, sights or trigger could affect the groups but after a while it all becomes very close. I never had a ransom rest to test it properly though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted May 3, 2017 Author Share Posted May 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, cheby said: I am little puzzled with your guys reports on shooting groups with Shadow 2. I have done a LOT (at least 5K rounds) of group shooting with various accu-shadows, shadows, and now shadow 2 for the last year or two. Frankly I do not see much difference between all of them. I always shoot groups unsupported; the group size varies depending of the day and ammo. It does take some time (For me) to get tuned and stay focused when I am shooting groups. I have shot 2" groups (5 shots) at 25 yards with all of them many times after I warmed up. I also can keep all the shots in the A- zone at 50 yrds. The worst accuracy I get it is usually with Xtreme bullets. My coated loads (147gr SNS and Blue Bullets) are usually more consistent. I also feel that 124gr are more accurate (Perhaps). New, unfamiliar, sights or trigger could affect the groups but after a while it all becomes very close. I never had a ransom rest to test it properly though. Let me clarify then what I'm experiencing. At the end of a practice session when I'm warmed up and have probably shot a couple different guns I shoot at an open uspsa metric target at 25 yards for 10 rounds and get a certain size and even distribution of shots on target that I'm very happy with using my Accu Shadow. Then I take the same ammo and shoot 10 rounds with my Shadow 2 at the same target, same distance and get a group in size and distribution that is larger enough to represent a difference I'm frustrated with. With my Accu I shoot 3" groups of 10 rounds, just standing there unsupported at 25 yards. With my Shadow 2 it is closer to 6". So I'm shooting same ammo, same time, same place, same distance, same amount of warm up. The variable then is the guns and their components. Adimittedly I have considerable more time on my Accu than my Shadow 2. 50k rounds versus less than 1k. Years versus months. My Accu is an Accu. My Shadow 2 has a cgw bushing. My Accu has a fitted Oz barrel. My Shadow two has a stock barrel. Their triggers are equal. My Accu has a fully adjustable rear. My Shadow 2 has stock sights. So in my quest to pick either gun up and shoot reasonably equal groups I'm putting the same rear sight I have on my Accu on my Shadow 2. The next step is to see if the Shadow 2 might need a little different load than my Accu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheby Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Understand. Sure, the accu-bushing and the fitted barrel could make the gun more accurate. Perhaps it is better to compare Shadow 2 with Shadow, not Accushadow. Still I think the biggest impact would be the considerable difference in time on your Accu vs Shadow 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, cheby said: I am little puzzled with your guys reports on shooting groups Can't provide a better explanation than 'it is what it is' . I've purchased 2 cz's , one a cts and the other a tactical sport orange, that were as good out of the box as my limited group shooting ability can demonstrate. The S2 and my 2nd CTS I had worse luck with but the S2 seems good now and the CTS seemed good immediatly after installing a CGW bushing. Maybe the S2 (CGW bushing installed there also) wore in a bit?? Agree that it is much about how well you are shooting on a particular day, if in doubt I bring out my first CTS (stock bushing but most accurate gun) so I can figure out if a bad result is just me. Oh, if I'm shooting well off of a bench switching guns is not an issue, used to use a S&W model 41 target as my baseline gun to verify my own performance on a particular day. I either am off with whatever gun or else I am on. Edited May 3, 2017 by IHAVEGAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 What is an acceptable group at 25yds standing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiII Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 To what degree is frame cracking/deformation a risk with long term use of 10lb or 11lb springs and 130ish pf loads? I'm guessing it's not an issue, but I'm new to CZ's and my only experience with metal framed guns is 1911s. I ask as I'd prefer not to use the buffers they ship with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliv2 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 1 hour ago, WiII said: To what degree is frame cracking/deformation a risk with long term use of 10lb or 11lb springs and 130ish pf loads? I'm guessing it's not an issue, but I'm new to CZ's and my only experience with metal framed guns is 1911s. I ask as I'd prefer not to use the buffers they ship with. My practice Shadow 1 has ~80,000 rounds through it exclusively using 11 lb springs. I'd say the odds are almost zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 12 hours ago, wingnut said: What is an acceptable group at 25yds standing If I can't stay on the head box (6"x6") at 20 yards I am either not having a good day or looking to fix or sell something. If I can stay on it at 25 yards then I am satisfied with things. If all the shots at 25 yards are well inside the boundaries then I'm shooting better than average & am very happy with the gun/ammo. Just the way one person does things. Even on a good day there will be the occasional flier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiII Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 20 hours ago, Sliv2 said: My practice Shadow 1 has ~80,000 rounds through it exclusively using 11 lb springs. I'd say the odds are almost zero. Thanks. How often do you change the springs? I used 11lbs in my glock and would only change them every 5000 or so rounds. I also see references to slide stops cracking, how often do you change them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 I am a bullseye shooter and I think I am expecting to much. My groups are with in the 7 ring of a Bullseye Rapid fire target with an occasional flyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted May 4, 2017 Author Share Posted May 4, 2017 I change every spring in the gun every 6 months, mags included. I change slide stop once a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiII Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 24 minutes ago, rowdyb said: I change every spring in the gun every 6 months, mags included. I change slide stop once a year. Great, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanniek71 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Not recommended but I shot my Shadow about 20,000 rounds before changing springs or really cleaning it at all, other than adding more oil and chipping the carbon off the breech face a few times Not the best idea but she never stopped running! Took me almost 3 hours to clean it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted May 5, 2017 Author Share Posted May 5, 2017 20k rounds is about 5 to 6 months of shooting for me for one gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanniek71 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 34 minutes ago, rowdyb said: 20k rounds is about 5 to 6 months of shooting for me for one gun. You're penis is obviously much larger than mine. You're budget as well ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted May 5, 2017 Author Share Posted May 5, 2017 thanks for the words of encouragement but probably not true. i wish i could only clean a gun every 6 months, seems i'm cleaning a gun every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanniek71 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 1 minute ago, rowdyb said: thanks for the words of encouragement but probably not true. i wish i could only clean a gun every 6 months, seems i'm cleaning a gun every week. Hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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