Loaded table start

[Kraj]

Shooting production, loaded double/single action place on the table with the hammer back and the safety not applied. Is this a dq under 10.5.3 or is it just the incorrect start position? 

[Yardbird]

10.5.3.4

[ktm300]

2 minutes ago, Yardbird said:

10.5.3.4

and 

8.1.2.2 “Double action” – chamber loaded, hammer fully down or decocked

[Yardbird]

1 minute ago, ktm300 said:

and 

8.1.2.2 “Double action” – chamber loaded, hammer fully down or decocked

 

Yup!

[Sarge]

Clock out and go home early.

Edited March 14, 2017 by Sarge

[Kraj]

That's what I thought. Thanks guys

[Poppa Bear]

Shooting production your only choice is 8.1.2.2 for a handgun ready condition, so DQ under 10.5.3.4 for having a loaded chamber with no safety and hammer back.

 

The difference between 10.5.3.4 and 10.5.11 (holstered) is one is off body and the other is holstered.  So a holstered start that would DQ you under 10.5.11 would always DQ you under the same conditions off body.

[Milkcoma]

Dq 

[jwhittin]

So technically speaking the DQ offense happens the second the competitor removes his hand from the firearm without   engaging the safety, correct? And this applies to any firearm with a hammer back (SA or DA). Or in general any condition in violation of 8.1. 

Edited March 18, 2017 by jwhittin

[MAC702]

42 minutes ago, jwhittin said:

So technically speaking the DQ offense happens the second the competitor removes his hand from the firearm without   engaging the safety, correct? And this applies to any firearm with a hammer back (SA or DA). Or in general any condition in violation of 8.1. 

That's how I'm seeing it as well.  You can load the gun for MR, and hold the cocked/unlocked pistol all you want during your MR.  But as soon as you holster it or set it down in that condition, you've violated the rule.

[nuidad]

On ‎3‎/‎14‎/‎2017 at 9:18 AM, Poppa Bear said:

Shooting production your only choice is 8.1.2.2 for a handgun ready condition...

 

Is this correct?  Could I not shoot a single stack 1911 style gun in production division?

[motosapiens]

4 minutes ago, nuidad said:

Is this correct?  Could I not shoot a single stack 1911 style gun in production division?

 

You can not. Single-action guns are specifically prohibited, and 1911's are not on the production list.

[GrumpyOne]

11 minutes ago, nuidad said:

Is this correct?  Could I not shoot a single stack 1911 style gun in production division?

No. Only Production Division approved guns.

Here is the Production gun list.

https://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-NROI-production-gunlist.php

[nuidad]

Thanks.  I also found a reference in D4...Special Conditions (at the very end of D4), stating that "Handguns with external hammers must be fully decocked at the start signal."