StandardError Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I'm getting started in USPSA production using a G17 and am have a self-tuned trigger with some upgraded internals. However, I was wondering whether there are significant benefits to be had by getting a full production-legal trigger kit from someone like Vanek. Are these production-legal triggers as good as the non-legal ones? Are the production-legal triggers significant improvements over OEM? Appreciate the input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louu Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Yes but get the DK Custom kit, its amazing. Coming from a 1911 I couldn't hit the berm with a stock glock, I put the DK in there and I was drilling everything I was aiming at. It's production legal to!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StandardError Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 15 minutes ago, louu said: Yes but get the DK Custom kit, its amazing. Coming from a 1911 I couldn't hit the berm with a stock glock, I put the DK in there and I was drilling everything I was aiming at. It's production legal to!!! Besides DK Custom, are there any other production legal triggers that are highly regarded? I'm still all very new to this stuff. But I was a longtime bullseye shooter so I'm always finnicky about triggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 18 minutes ago, StandardError said: I was a longtime bullseye shooter so I'm always finnicky about triggers. Then you might want to reconsider choosing a Glock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StandardError Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, Southpaw said: Then you might want to reconsider choosing a Glock... For a long time I did. And then I've realized the beauty in its simplicity and reliability. My bullseye guns were very capricious about ammo and feeding and performance. That is one part I do not miss at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsauerfan Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 . aftermarket triggers for glocks aren't the holy grail, while most are an improvement over the OEM trigger. however i'm not convinced drop ins gets you the very best feel possible. i guess that for the best results you must send your gun to either DK...or johny glocks for the best fit and results possible ; i know that when i received my ZEV ultimate units , there was still a lot of room for improvements ,had to work different parts of the trigger bar , cruciform and connector to extract the most out of them. and as all guns are a little different, one given trigger unit doesn't gets you the exact same feel and trigger break weight for 2 guns of the same model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgh Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, sigsauerfan said: . aftermarket triggers for glocks aren't the holy grail, while most are an improvement over the OEM trigger. however i'm not convinced drop ins gets you the very best feel possible. i guess that for the best results you must send your gun to either DK...or johny glocks for the best fit and results possible ; i know that when i received my ZEV ultimate units , there was still a lot of room for improvements ,had to work different parts of the trigger bar , cruciform and connector to extract the most out of them. and as all guns are a little different, one given trigger unit doesn't gets you the exact same feel and trigger break weight for 2 guns of the same model. That has also been my experience. I now have a Ghost Evo Elite on a G17 and like it but it all really depends on what you are looking for. I am getting a Watch Precision to check out with the Ghost and also with a OEM 3.5 connector. Maybe with a 3.5 and NY1 spring just to see what it is like. But personally, I don't want to wander too far from what I have on my carry guns. Some want a pure Glock game gun and that is great. I learn from their experience. I shot 1911's for a long time. It's not just the trigger but a completely different platform. If you want a 1911 trigger, get a 1911. Edited March 8, 2017 by lgh punctuation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsauerfan Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) then, i suggest the ZEV comp spring kit in combo with the zev V4 connector,but keep the OEM striker spring. it'll make a quite noticeable improvement on the pull weight , without the occasional ignitions problems with harder primers than FSP primers. Edited March 8, 2017 by sigsauerfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StandardError Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 4 hours ago, sigsauerfan said: . aftermarket triggers for glocks aren't the holy grail, while most are an improvement over the OEM trigger. however i'm not convinced drop ins gets you the very best feel possible. i guess that for the best results you must send your gun to either DK...or johny glocks for the best fit and results possible ; i know that when i received my ZEV ultimate units , there was still a lot of room for improvements ,had to work different parts of the trigger bar , cruciform and connector to extract the most out of them. and as all guns are a little different, one given trigger unit doesn't gets you the exact same feel and trigger break weight for 2 guns of the same model. What kind of work did you do specifically? And would you go with the Zev again? Or would you choose something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsauerfan Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, StandardError said: What kind of work did you do specifically? And would you go with the Zev again? Or would you choose something else? it involves reshaping some angles as well as polishing . the trigger bar tab ( reshaping the part rubbing against the connector), working on the angle of the tab of the cruciform who rubs on the striker leg , reshaping the dot on the trigger bar contacting with the drop safety plunger , and some additional work on the connector . i wouldn't suggest performing this yourself if you're not conscious of the specific action that can be done. there's some obvious risks you may have to throw the unit in the trash can if you go too far. on top of that, the unit you ''work'' is gonna work with the specific gun that the unit is dedicated to, but might not work at all with another gun of the exact same model...it might go full auto,or not reset properly. yes i'd still go with the zev unit, and this because they're very nice looking the finish being very slick , and also because whatever you choose to go with DK or JG units, a drop in system who hasn't been fit properly for a specific gun might get you the same result : it will provide a great improvement over stock , but in any case will not be maximized. as example, when i receive a drop in trigger. i might get a 3.something lbs trigger break weight ,very smooth and crisp with a shorter reset ; after my work on the unit, i can reach 2.5 break weight and even a little lower while staying crisp (with all the safeties intact of course ) , depending on the specific unit......it's all a matter of personalizing the fit of the trigger unit to a specific gun . Edited March 8, 2017 by sigsauerfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polymerfeelsweirdman Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 For $40 I like the tti gm kit, cannot see myself really spending too much more on a Glock past that Also, the more you mod Glocks generally the worse the reliability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsauerfan Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 3 hours ago, polymerfeelsweirdman said: Also, the more you mod Glocks generally the worse the reliability explain ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polymerfeelsweirdman Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 6 hours ago, sigsauerfan said: explain ? they work pretty well stock but many mods like spring changes can make them less reliable quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsauerfan Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, polymerfeelsweirdman said: they work pretty well stock but many mods like spring changes can make them less reliable quickly less reliable? i don't see what you mean,excepting the fact that if you add a 2lb striker spring the gun might have a tough time igniting harder primers other than federal small pistol primers. my glocks are mod,ed from bottom to the top including lightened slides with all zev tech internals and springs. all my safeties are working , and i get a 2.1 lbs on my G35 limited gun. never had a problem, except i uses federal small pistol primers only to avoid ignition gremlins. you probably refers to people who are using various parts not working well together. you must pick a ''package''' who is thought to work together, that way , you avoid the problems that may occure with different parts-brands that are not designed to work together. as example of bad parts choice , using a ghost ultimate connector in combo with various spring types may gets you in trouble with the reset and ignition. Edited March 9, 2017 by sigsauerfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgh Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, sigsauerfan said: less reliable? i don't see what you mean,excepting the fact that if you add a 2lb striker spring the gun might have a tough time igniting harder primers other than federal small pistol primers. my glocks are mod,ed from bottom to the top including lightened slides with all zev tech internals and springs. all my safeties are working , and i get a 2.1 lbs on my G35 limited gun. never had a problem, except i use federal small pistol primers only to avoid ignition gremlins. That's a nice game gun and it sounds like it works great for you under pretty specific conditions. I might try it! The reliability issues come up at tactical training courses. The instructors see a million rounds a year go down range. If a Glock stops, the standard response is, "What did you do to it?". The rest of us stand around and wait for the explanation and chastising. Edited March 9, 2017 by lgh clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsauerfan Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 4 hours ago, lgh said: That's a nice game gun and it sounds like it works great for you under pretty specific conditions. I might try it! The reliability issues come up at tactical training courses. The instructors see a million rounds a year go down range. If a Glock stops, the standard response is, "What did you do to it?". The rest of us stand around and wait for the explanation and chastising. oh ! i understand then....you know like me people like thinkering with their glocks LOL...not always the right modification unfortunately...i tell myself that as long as the gun doesn't turns full auto in the middle of a match like it happened one time to me at the beggining of my endeavors with glock pistols , fortunately, nothing is irreversible apart of a ruined trigger bar or connector , which you still can get for couple bucks, while a ruined ZEV trigger bar is a little more frustrating. i practiced my skills at modifying glock internals on OEM parts first, then i was more confident at doing it on pricey units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgh Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 11 minutes ago, sigsauerfan said: oh ! i understand then....you know like me people like thinkering with their glocks LOL...not always the right modification unfortunately...i tell myself that as long as the gun doesn't turns full auto in the middle of a match like it happened one time to me at the beggining of my endeavors with glock pistols , fortunately, nothing is irreversible apart of a ruined trigger bar or connector , which you still can get for couple bucks, while a ruined ZEV trigger bar is a little more frustrating. i practiced my skills at modifying glock internals on OEM parts first, then i was more confident at doing it on pricey units. I've fooled around a lot with OEM springs, connectors, etc but I think aftermarket parts have gotten a lot better through the years and I've started experimenting with them on non-carry guns. And others, like you, report good results when swapping springs in their game guns. Still don't have the background to do my own mods on OEM parts. When I do, I'll keep it pointed in a safe direction (Rule 2). For the OP, what parts did you swap out/work on and how did it change things from stock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polymerfeelsweirdman Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 10 hours ago, sigsauerfan said: less reliable? i don't see what you mean,excepting the fact that if you add a 2lb striker spring the gun might have a tough time igniting harder primers other than federal small pistol primers. my glocks are mod,ed from bottom to the top including lightened slides with all zev tech internals and springs. all my safeties are working , and i get a 2.1 lbs on my G35 limited gun. never had a problem, except i uses federal small pistol primers only to avoid ignition gremlins. you probably refers to people who are using various parts not working well together. you must pick a ''package''' who is thought to work together, that way , you avoid the problems that may occure with different parts-brands that are not designed to work together. as example of bad parts choice , using a ghost ultimate connector in combo with various spring types may gets you in trouble with the reset and ignition. Well you kind of just said it, you are running fed primers Glocks do need a "package" like you're saying. On another gun you can probably change things independently but for a Glock... reduce recoil spring rate then the gun wants to push out of battery due to the striker spring and has less force to go into battery; reduce the striker spring then you have ignition issues and need to run a lightened striker and or softer primers. If you change or mess with the trigger you can easily disable the safeties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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