Tooth and Nail Ultimate 3gun package

[hitman_usmc]

I'm interested in trying this package with the upgraded receiver.  Does anyone have any experience with it?  I searched the forum and found a thread that was about a year old and was wondering if there were any updates.  

[hitman_usmc]

Ok, between a KL-12 and a Tooth and Nail package, which one and why?  The KL-12 is substantially more but is it really that much better, if at all?   

[RolexJohn]

On 2/18/2017 at 1:18 PM, hitman_usmc said:

Ok, between a KL-12 and a Tooth and Nail package, which one and why?  The KL-12 is substantially more but is it really that much better, if at all?   

 

 

Hi Hitman - I have no direct experience with the Dissident Arms VEPR based shotguns.  I have however fired the T&N MKA 1919 and am purchasing one, along with the billet aluminum lower and the forend which will allow for the left side charging handle, a new trigger and grip, and 3 magazines (28, 23, and 10 round).  I'll be all in for just under 2k - $1500.00 less than the DA package. 

 

The big advantage I see is that the MKA 1919 is very AR-15 like, whereas I believe both the Saiga (which I've owned) and the VEPR (which I haven't) are AK-like in operation.  I MUCH prefer an AR-15 manual of arms. 

 

I'm purchasing the gun from a buddy who has an extra with low round count, and the extra components from T&N.  He's a gun smith himself, and has done a LOT of research on open shotguns.  He's talked to the the T&N guys a lot at matches and is convinced that they're the best open shotgun out there.  If the DA guns ran better, he'd pay the extra money.  But that's not the case. 

[Maximis228]

Didnt like my MKA at all. The mid barrel comp blew gas right into my face and covered my support arm in sot after only 100 rounds or so. It does seem their new magazines are working better than the older ones.

[gerritm]

I have shot my  T & N  MKA 1919 for 2 plus years and thousands of rounds. Like all open guns there is a learning curve to get it broke in and all of the mags running. Mine pretty much ran 98% out of the box with all of the T & N mags including the 24 rounder. They were pretty much tuned  from them when I got it. I have a Firebird billet 18 round and a Taccom ext on a 10 round for 15 total. Both of those took a little work to get 100%. Gun is fast and easy to use and manipulate. I shoot AA 1145 7.5 shells and Xtreme Slugs. Slugs shoot like a laser. I use Briley ported extended chokes.

 

Best CS of any gunsmith ever. Always answer their e-mails and are willing to help.

 

For me it was the easiest transition from a tube fed because the controls all match my AR. Muscle memory is there already.

 

That said I shoot with Mike & Lan from DA and have seen their Vepr's in action. Great shooting shotguns, reliable and fast. If you like that style theirs are the way to go.

 

gerritm

 

[billdozer]

Josh and Matt take good care of their customers. When i decide to start shooting cheater division, it'll probably be with one of their guns. 

[ctay]

I started with a T&N, ended up with a Firebird. Honestly, the Firebird is a whole other league than the T&N. The pins to remove the lower are so nice.

I don't want to rag on anyone but my T&N was very difficult to keep running - the Firebird is 100%.