hlpressley Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I know, dead horse but this time it's different! Looking to build a gun for CO division. I already have a like new G17 and while I know most will say "use what you have" I don't want to invest time and money into a 17 if the 34 is the way to go. My question would be why would the 34 be superior in CO? Sight radius no longer matters but the additional barrel length could help I suppose. What are your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreed911 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I can't see an advantage, in fact the 17 is probably easier to "move" than the 34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 The only advantage to the 34 would be the extra velocity helping make power factor...which isn't really much of an advantage at all. I'd go with the 17 since they're cheaper and no reason to spend more on the 34 if you're not gaining anything by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninemmbill Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Southpaw said: The only advantage to the 34 would be the extra velocity helping make power factor...which isn't really much of an advantage at all. I'd go with the 17 since they're cheaper and no reason to spend more on the 34 if you're not gaining anything by it. Carry Optics minor power factor only. Edited January 30, 2017 by ninemmbill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackinSD Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I bet he knows that Carry Optics is minor power factor only. He didn't mention making major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 1 hour ago, JackinSD said: I bet he knows that Carry Optics is minor power factor only. He didn't mention making major. Yes I do. Thanks Longer barrel still means easier to make minor with less powder. Like I said, not really much of an advantage, but you could use a whole .1 grains less powder maybe with the 34, huge cost savings there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny10 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 14 hours ago, hlpressley said: I know, dead horse but this time it's different! Looking to build a gun for CO division. I already have a like new G17 and while I know most will say "use what you have" I don't want to invest time and money into a 17 if the 34 is the way to go. My question would be why would the 34 be superior in CO? Sight radius no longer matters but the additional barrel length could help I suppose. What are your thoughts? Are you leaving the triggers stock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny10 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Swanny10 said: Are you leaving the triggers stock? I ask because the trigger weight is "SLIGHTLY" better on the 34. But not enough to warrant buying a new gun IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreed911 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 33 minutes ago, Swanny10 said: I ask because the trigger weight is "SLIGHTLY" better on the 34. But not enough to warrant buying a new gun IMO. I've learned something today. I was not aware that the 34 had a lighter trigger. I replace the connector and trigger spring anyway and polish the rest but found this interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
race1911 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Southpaw said: but you could use a whole .1 grains less powder maybe with the 34, huge cost savings there I sure hope this is a joke......with the costs of guns, other shooting accessories, other bullet components, match fees, transportation, hotels etc. that we spend enjoying this sport .1 grain/round is very small in comparison Edited January 30, 2017 by race1911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 11 minutes ago, mreed911 said: I've learned something today. I was not aware that the 34 had a lighter trigger. I replace the connector and trigger spring anyway and polish the rest but found this interesting. The only difference is the 34 comes with a minus connector. You can swap out the connector on a 17 for $15-25 depending which you want so not worth spending $100 more for a 34 if it's just for the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, race1911 said: I sure hope this is a joke......with the costs of guns, other shooting accessories, other bullet components, match fees, transportation, hotels etc. that we spend enjoying this sport .1 grain/bullet is very small in comparison A joke? No way! A .1 grain reduction per round would be about a $0.25 savings per thousand rounds. If I shoot 10,000 rounds a year that's almost enough savings to buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
race1911 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Gotcha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I bought the 34 because if I didn't wanna keep playing with CO it would be easier to sell the the other folks I shoot with that are mostly production shooters. Also in my local area more guys are buying 34's for co than 17's, again I figured it mostly on if I wanted out it would be an easier sell. I see no other advantage than that to a 34 over a 17 or vises versa. By the way CO is now 140mm mags loaded to capacity, no more 10 round limit in free states anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slow250 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I used my 17 for CO since I wanted to keep the 34 available for production. However, I prefer the balance of the 34 slightly. At some point I'll probably pick up a second for CO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polymerfeelsweirdman Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I just reread the carry optics rules and it seems the Glock 17L could technicay be legal if Glock sent in the paperwork. Anyone else interested in pestering Glock? It would be a good excuse for me to get a 17L since it fits literally no other division well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 It won't ever fit Production box which is a requirement to make the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Rules say a manufacturer can submit a declaration form to USPSA to get a gun approved for CO that isn't on the Production gun list. But why would you even want to use a 17L in CO? The advantage to the 17L is the sight radius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polymerfeelsweirdman Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sarge said: It won't ever fit Production box which is a requirement to make the list. There is no size limit and if the gun isn't on the production list then the manufacturer just needs to show there have been 500 made and that it meets other reqs like hammer down on start or striker fired. 1 hour ago, Southpaw said: Rules say a manufacturer can submit a declaration form to USPSA to get a gun approved for CO that isn't on the Production gun list. But why would you even want to use a 17L in CO? The advantage to the 17L is the sight radius. Because we can!!! And I actually like the balance of the 6" guns. While part of me dislikes the rule change since it screws over mag cap states, part of me wants to try carry optics more now even though I have disliked red dot pistols in the past. I am mainly debating whether to go with a Glock like a gssf coupon G17 mos or G17L with dovetail mount (if there are still new 17L's left) or a different platform like the Sig p320 X5 which looks pretty awesome. Edited February 1, 2017 by polymerfeelsweirdman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny10 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 23 hours ago, polymerfeelsweirdman said: I just reread the carry optics rules and it seems the Glock 17L could technicay be legal if Glock sent in the paperwork. Anyone else interested in pestering Glock? It would be a good excuse for me to get a 17L since it fits literally no other division well I would pester them to make it production legal but I have no interest in shooting optics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polymerfeelsweirdman Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Swanny10 said: I would pester them to make it production legal but I have no interest in shooting optics. Can't get it production legal because of the size limit Since CO has no size limit but has an exception built in for guns that don't make the production list, this allows for a sort of loophole for the 17L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Swanny10 said: I would pester them to make it production legal but I have no interest in shooting optics. They already did; it's called the 34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny10 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 The 34 feels small now after getting my long slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dranged Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I think I'd go with the 17. Looks like 17 has 3/4 of an ounce lighter slide which after optic is added would cycle similar to 34 I'm thinking.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 56 minutes ago, Swanny10 said: The 34 feels small now after getting my long slide. Ha yeah that's true. But you said Production legal; the 34 was literally designed around the Production box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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