3djedi Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Do you guys have any recipes for 124g montana gold JHP for TG or CFE pistol ?Needs a shorter OAL length for a PPQ Q5. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDescribe Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I've shot a few different 124gr JHP, MG included, with 4.0gr of Titegroup, down in the OAL range of 1.07-1.08, for average velocities between 1060 and 1080. I'd recommend you start at 3.6 and work up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, IDescribe said: I'd recommend you start at 3.6 and work up. Yup, work up with a chrono ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3djedi Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 The only data I could find of a similar profile bullet was this. I don't think even at max it makes min PF. That's why I asked. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDescribe Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 That Hodgdon data for the 125gr Hornady HAP is anomalous. Hornady says to use their XTP data for their HAP bullets, and if you look at Hodgdon's data for the 147gr Hornady XTP, the load window is 3.2 - 3.6. There's no way that 125gr JHP's max load is the same as the 147gr JHP's starting load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js1130146 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 The OAL for HAPs on the Hodgdon website is crazy short which is probably why the pressures are so high with charge weights so low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDescribe Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 That OAL can't account for that data. That bullet length is only .572, so at that short OAL of 1.069, the seating depth is still only .253. I shoot 124gr JHPs at similar seating depths with 4.0gr of TG all day long. There's no way a 125gr JHP is going to need a lower charge window than a 147gr JHP that is seated deeper and that has a longer bearing surface. That's simply not going to happen. There's something wrong with the data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olstyn Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 124 gr MG JHP over 5.0 of CFE Pistol at 1.075" OAL made ~129 PF out of my P99c, which is basically the Q5's smaller DA/SA cousin. With 1.5" more barrel, you probably won't need quite as much powder and/or will get more velocity. I'd start at 4.4 or so and work up as needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3djedi Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 Thanks!Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CmbtEngr Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) Sierra Reloading Data Book (7th Edition) shows the following for 125g FMJ & JHP: Titegroup: 1000fps/3.7gr, 1059fps/3.9gr, 1100fps/4.2gr, 1150fps/4.4gr (max load). Edited January 21, 2017 by CmbtEngr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David.Hylton Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 I load 124 MTG at 1.125 and 4.1 TG for an ave. 1090fps/135 PF out of a Glock 34. In range brass with Winchester primers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBlast Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Tested a few loads with Cfe pistol today, from 4.2-4.8. Precision Delta 124gr jhp, 1.110 oal,4.8gr Cfe-p, average 1039fps/128pf out of my m&p 9l pro core. I am new to reloading so this was only a 5 shot group. I wanted to work up the load and only made 10 of each. Used 3 to test function and 7 for chrono. I had 2 errors when testing the 4.8gr. 4.6gr averaged 1009/125 for a 7 shot group. Edited January 23, 2017 by BillyBlast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3djedi Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 Looks like 3.6g of TG with the JHP'S loaded at 1.100" is it. Gave me 129PF out of the gun. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olstyn Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, 57K said: I've loaded the MG 124 and you shouldn't need to load so short as 1.075" with it. Even with a short throated barrel. Neither my P99c nor my P99 will pass the plunk test with a MG 124gr JHP consistently with it loaded any longer than 1.075" I'd be surprised if the same wasn't true for the OP's Q5; it's essentially a P99 with the DA functionality and the associated decocker button removed. My full size has a *slightly* tighter throat than my compact (I occasionally get rounds that won't quite plunk in the full size barrel that will in the compact), but I doubt the Q5 is so different than either of them that it'd be possible to load significantly longer. Edited January 24, 2017 by olstyn grammatical clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3djedi Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 Neither my P99c nor my P99 will pass the plunk test with a MG 124gr JHP consistently with it loaded any longer than 1.075" I'd be surprised if the same wasn't true for the OP's Q5; it's essentially a P99 with the DA functionality and the associated decocker button removed. My full size has a *slightly* tighter throat than my compact (I occasionally get rounds that won't quite plunk in the full size barrel that will in the compact), but I doubt the Q5 is so different than either of them that it'd be possible to load significantly longer.I think it was close to 1.115" that would pass on the Q5. I loaded my test rounds to 1.100" with no problems on the plunk test. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olstyn Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I wonder what prompted Walther to change the way they cut the chambers for the Q5 vs earlier models. IIRC earlier PPQs also have tighter chambers like P99s. It would be interesting to know which way the 5" PPQ M2 (Non-Q5 Match) is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olstyn Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Yeah, My P99c is older (summer 2010 purchase) and has a "normal" chamber. The full size is a summer 2016 purchase and has the stepped chamber. The step makes a shiny ring around the brass when it's fired, but doesn't seem to cause any significant negative effects, and as far as I can tell, it's only a marginally tighter chamber than the compact. I certainly wouldn't want to attempt to load 9 major at 1.075", but I don't shoot open anyway, let alone with a Production gun, so that's really not an issue for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtaylor996 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Do you guys have any recipes for 124g montana gold JHP for TG or CFE pistol ?Needs a shorter OAL length for a PPQ Q5. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using TapatalkYes I do. 1.095" OAL3.9gr TGMakes minor power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3djedi Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 On 1/27/2017 at 8:59 PM, jtaylor996 said: Yes I do. 1.095" OAL 3.9gr TG Makes minor power. What PF do you get out of that??? I loaded 1.100" with 3.6g of TG and got 129PF out of it. I would think 3.9g would be fairly hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDescribe Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 3 hours ago, 3djedi said: What PF do you get out of that??? I loaded 1.100" with 3.6g of TG and got 129PF out of it. I would think 3.9g would be fairly hot. Do not forget that this is 9mm minor. ALL loads are mild. 3.6gr for a PF of 129 is a light load that throws brass a couple feet. 3.9gr is going to be FAR from hot. From earlier in this thread: On 1/18/2017 at 9:18 PM, IDescribe said: I've shot a few different 124gr JHP, MG included, with 4.0gr of Titegroup, down in the OAL range of 1.07-1.08, for average velocities between 1060 and 1080. I'd recommend you start at 3.6 and work up. So PF of 131 to 134 at 1.075-ish and 4.0gr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slayer61 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 From my notes... SigPro 2022 3.6 gr. TG made 120 PF and 4.1 made 124. No doubt a shorter bbl than you're using Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iflyskyhigh Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I also used this same load with Precision Delta JHP. But the COAL was more like 1.085ish. I know the COAL is short but I tested every COAL between there and 1.130" and this was by far the most accurate from 30-60'. The XTREME JHP are quiet a bit shorter than everything else. I compared the Precision Delta 124gr JHP to the Hornady 124gr XTP and the profile is almost the same. It's also moving a little faster than I'd like but anything slower and the accuracy seemed to drop way off. Set: 232 Created: 01/15/17 10:29AMDescription: Xtreme 124gr PRN 9MM G34Notes 1: HP 0.355 Xtreme 9mm 124 0.545Notes 2: 4.0grs Titegroup COAL 1.060Distance to Chrono(FT): 5.00Ballistic Coefficient: 0.140Bullet Weight(gr): 124.00Temp: 56 °FBP: 29.99 inHgAltitude: 0.00# FPS FT-LBS PF9 1134 354.13 140.62 8 1152 365.46 142.85 7 1136 355.38 140.86 6 1124 347.91 139.38 5 1134 354.13 140.62 4 1119 344.82 138.76 3 1112 340.52 137.89 2 1115 342.36 138.26 1 1124 347.91 139.38 Average: 1127.8 FPSSD: 12.5 FPSMin: 1112 FPSMax: 1152 FPSSpread: 40 FPSShot/sec: 0.7True MV: 1131 FPSGroup Size (in): 0.00--------------------------------------------Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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