Tested!! Hammer springs & PF Firing Pin Pencil Test

[Nathanb]

And every single gun being different too. What may work for you won't work for me or the next guy. 

[C-Money]

On 3/26/2017 at 6:16 PM, Malarkey said:

So really the question is what is the lowest weight spring which spring will set off everything with a titan hammer?

 

For me it's the EG light setup, with the FP spring cut down until the hammer at rest pushes the FP flush. Not drop safe, not really, but since I never use the gun except after "make ready" I'm unconcerned. This setup works in both of my Stock 2s.

 

I use CCI, Win, S&B, and Fiochi for practice. I'd prefer CCI, thencouragement Win, Fiochi, and last S&B. All are reliable but S&B in particular have the most failures or other problems. I credit my reliability to seating primers deeply, Xtreme FP, weak FP spring, Titan hammer, and reducing all friction points between hammer fall and primer hit. No Bolo, as that would reduce DA force. If due to brass variations a primer ends up high, a second strike resolves the problem. Inspection and Federal primers seem to suffice for match ammo. 

[Malarkey]

 
For me it's the EG light setup, with the FP spring cut down until the hammer at rest pushes the FP flush. Not drop safe, not really, but since I never use the gun except after "make ready" I'm unconcerned. This setup works in both of my Stock 2s.
 
I use CCI, Win, S&B, and Fiochi for practice. I'd prefer CCI, thencouragement Win, Fiochi, and last S&B. All are reliable but S&B in particular have the most failures or other problems. I credit my reliability to seating primers deeply, Xtreme FP, weak FP spring, Titan hammer, and reducing all friction points between hammer fall and primer hit. No Bolo, as that would reduce DA force. If due to brass variations a primer ends up high, a second strike resolves the problem. Inspection and Federal primers seem to suffice for match ammo. 

Do you use the extreme disco?


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[C-Money]

On 3/28/2017 at 10:56 AM, Malarkey said:

 

 

Do you use the extreme disco?


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No, I have a two wing type.

[NWfront]

On 3/29/2017 at 8:47 PM, Twinkie said:

No, I have a two wing type.

Do you have any experience using the Xtreme disco?  If so what are the advantages of going with the two wing type?

[MemphisMechanic]

It comes with 50% more marketing and the same trigger pull.

[bulm540]

Finally got my set up to work with the s &b primers. 13 pounds hammer spring with judicious polishing, pd springs, Titan hammer  and bolo. Only 1 light strike in DA but probably a high primer. Will use s bs for practice.

[SoCalShooter69]

25 minutes ago, bulm540 said:

Finally got my set up to work with the s &b primers. 13 pounds hammer spring with judicious polishing, pd springs, Titan hammer  and bolo. Only 1 light strike in DA but probably a high primer. Will use s bs for practice.

 

Impossible. @Twinkie say this is impossible with a bolo.

 

/head explodes.

[C-Money]

44 minutes ago, SoCalShooter69 said:

 

Impossible. @Twinkie say this is impossible with a bolo.

 

/head explodes.

 

Unpossible! 

1 hour ago, bulm540 said:

Finally got my set up to work with the s &b primers. 13 pounds hammer spring with judicious polishing, pd springs, Titan hammer  and bolo. Only 1 light strike in DA but probably a high primer. Will use s bs for practice.

 

Yeah I wouldn't use anything which has light strikes at a match I played money for. I'm sure anything can work, but I stopped a long time ago and settled on a pretty simple setup. I'm using a 13lb PD spring but so far I think I like the E.G. light a bit more. Not that it matters, because when I'm shooting I don't notice.

[bulm540]

Surprised me too but have a couple of K of s bs for practice. Have a lot of Feds for matches though. Good for the next 2 years.

[johnbu]

3 hours ago, SoCalShooter69 said:

 

Impossible. @Twinkie say this is impossible with a bolo.

 

/head explodes.

 

I was at a gathering last weekend with a guy named "Ben".  i was showing the fancy PD palm swell grips. 

 

He was adamant that my gun "doesn't work".  He couldn't believe it has a 15.5# hammer spring, sets off winchester, CCI,  S&B and Wolf primers.  it has a 5# 8oz da 1#14oz sa.

 

If a person hasn't kept up with PatriotDefense designed parts, it is incredible how good they run. 2 years ago, a 5 1/2# da would be federal only. I still do have issues with high primers from my Lee Toadmaster.  but when fed well seated primers... bang every time!

 

Then again, if i had the trigger control he has, i wouldn't NEED the soft smooth sweet trigger! 

[MemphisMechanic]

@SoCalShooter69 smells a lot like @ryridesmotox.

 

How've you been?  

[GrumpyOne]

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[SISIG]

13lbs is the way to

go

[Avenida]

13lbs!! Wow that is light!

i think my gun is possesed.

 

i can get 5lbs 4oz with pd yellow spring (14lbs) and 5lbs 11oz with Medium Extreme.

 

?????? I think I have the best tanfo in the world, haha

[IHAVEGAS]

10 hours ago, SISIG said:

13lbs is the way to

go

 

Federals & a 1050 for deep seating, else I would use the 13 and be happy with it. The 10 is my favorite though, just a smidge under 4.5# d.a..

[SISIG]

3 hours ago, Avenida said:

13lbs!! Wow that is light!

i think my gun is possesed.

 

i can get 5lbs 4oz with pd yellow spring (14lbs) and 5lbs 11oz with Medium Extreme.

 

?????? I think I have the best tanfo in the world, haha

Overtime the spring softens after some live and dry practice

[Avenida]

Just now, SISIG said:

Overtime the spring softens after some live and dry practice

Spring is new - 

medium spring is under 6lbs in my gun, and same spring over 7 in another.

i have 2!!

 

i dont want to shoot the 7lb one ever again!!!!

 

[SISIG]

1 minute ago, Avenida said:

Spring is new - 

medium spring is under 6lbs in my gun, and same spring over 7 in another.

i have 2!!

 

i dont want to shoot the 7lb one ever again!!!!

 

Lol

[Avenida]

I am wondering if I got a really good tanfo or A really bad one???

 

is it a 7lb the norm with Medium spring right???

 

 

[johnbu]

14 minutes ago, Avenida said:

I am wondering if I got a really good tanfo or A really bad one???

 

is it a 7lb the norm with Medium spring right???

 

 

7-8# is normal with the EG medium.

 

I'm actually INCREASING trigger weight for the off season to work on trigger control. FYI - wolff makes a 22# spring.

 

Oh, you should test trigger pull with each mag you own. There can be rubbing on the trigger bow that changes the character of the gun.

[MemphisMechanic]

21 minutes ago, Avenida said:

I am wondering if I got a really good tanfo or A really bad one???

 

is it a 7lb the norm with Medium spring right???

 

 

 

That’s normal. 6.5-7 is around where mine was with every patriot part made, and hours of polishing.

 

It doesn’t matter; 6 vs 7 is the same trigger unless you have a digital widget pulling the trigger instead of a human. Dryfire with it often, instead of spending those hours with it disassembled on the bench... and 7 is just fine on match day.

 

Stoeger’s gun was around 3 to 3.5 SA and 7 DA when I dryfired it, I’d guess. It’s not a light trigger by any means. Doesn’t seem to hurt him at all.

 

Edited November 20, 2018 by MemphisMechanic

[Avenida]

1 hour ago, MemphisMechanic said:

 

That’s normal. 6.5-7 is around where mine was with every patriot part made, and hours of polishing.

 

It doesn’t matter; 6 vs 7 is the same trigger unless you have a digital widget pulling the trigger instead of a human. Dryfire with it often, instead of spending those hours with it disassembled on the bench... and 7 is just fine on match day.

 

Stoeger’s gun was around 3 to 3.5 SA and 7 DA when I dryfired it, I’d guess. It’s not a light trigger by any means. Doesn’t seem to hurt him at all.

 

 

Although I agree 100% I am scratching my head thinking what makes my other gun so good! Trigger is not even 6lbs!! And soent half the time making it as nice!

 

[dhdeal]

This is an eye opening and hilarious thread. One topic much discussed about Tanfo's is the fact that they are all different. I suppose it's the Italian way. I'm used to rifle barrels being individuals, but reading about how many of you use the same parts and prep similarly getting different results proves it.

 

Do you suppose they're all redheads?

 

It sure doesn't mean I'll get rid of my newest Tanfoglio toy or that I won't buy another!

[johnbu]

2 hours ago, Avenida said:

 

Although I agree 100% I am scratching my head thinking what makes my other gun so good! Trigger is not even 6lbs!! And soent half the time making it as nice!

 

 

Pretty sure ...

 

 

 

..... i don't know !

 

I suspect it's in the sear, sear cage, sear cage pocket (in the frame) relationship.  The same reason shaving the BOLO nose reduces pull weight while lengthening hammer swing.