narwhal Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) So, I've taken the calipers to my M&P compact. In the latest revision they bumped the weight up to 26 oz w/ an unloaded mag, my m&p compact weighs 24.75 oz. It's really close on the other dimensions. It's almost exactly 6.5" long (6.5" max). It's about 4.3" tall with the non-pinky extension magazines (4.5" max). With the large grip insert, it's questionable on width, but since the grip insert is kind of spongy I can get a 1.35" reading if I depress the rubber grip a little bit with calipers at it's very widest point, otherwise it's about 1.38" (the limit being 1.375"). Width becomes well within limits if you go to the medium or smaller grip insert. Barrel length is also close but mine measures 3.4" from the back of the chamber to the muzzle. You don't have to include the feed ramp in that measurement do you? I was wondering if anyone else had looked into this or if there has been any kind of ruling, since it is so close every dimension except height. I'm on the fence about whether to shoot it in CCP w/ pinky extensions or BUG w/o anyway. Thanks. Edited December 30, 2016 by narwhal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rstandley Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Pull up the MFG specs. That will be the official specification used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narwhal Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) 17 minutes ago, rstandley said: Pull up the MFG specs. That will be the official specification used. Thanks, S&W lists the compact as 6.7" long which would be .2" over. Barrel is listed as 3.5" and weight as 24.9 oz. I'd imagine it still fits in the box, because it's not over 6.5" in any one axis (it's probably 6.7 if you measure from the back of the bobbed beavertail to the muzzle, but they aren't on the same plane) but I guess not legal for BUG. They don't list a height or width spec that I see on the internet. Edited December 30, 2016 by narwhal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f2benny Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Specs don't matter I think. The scale and box at a match control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rstandley Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 The 6.7" length will get it kicked out. It won't fit into the box because of the butt stock sticking out too far. I had a problem with my G-34 with a mag well not fitting into the box, I had to trim the mag well about 1/4" to get it to fit. since you have to use ESP rules as far as modifications, you may be able to trim the butt stock some. Find a box and see how it fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasbo00 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) S&W specs the height of a M&P Shield 9 or 40 as 4.6 inches. 2017 IDPA rule book limits BUG height to 4.5 inches. I drew a rectangle the size of a BUG box with 2017 dimensions - my M&P Shield 9 will not fit even with the flush magazine given the 4.5 inch height constraint. Edited December 30, 2016 by chasbo00 clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narwhal Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 20 minutes ago, chasbo00 said: S&W specs the height of a M&P Shield 9 or 40 as 4.6 inches. 2017 IDPA rule book limits BUG height to 4.5 inches. I drew a rectangle the size of a BUG box with 2017 dimensions - my M&P Shield 9 will not fit even with the flush magazine given the 4.5 inch height constraint. Yeah, I think the M&P compact is a good bit shorter than the M&P shield, at least when using the flat base magazines without the pinky extensions. The compact is about 4.3" from the bottom of the magazine baseplate to the top of the rear sight, which I reckon should be the tallest point on the pistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasbo00 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) 23 minutes ago, narwhal said: Yeah, I think the M&P compact is a good bit shorter than the M&P shield, at least when using the flat base magazines without the pinky extensions. The compact is about 4.3" from the bottom of the magazine baseplate to the top of the rear sight, which I reckon should be the tallest point on the pistol. My M&P 9 Compact is just a bit too long for the BUG box I drew. Height is OK though. So, the M&P Compact too is too long and the M&P Shield too tall to meet the IDPA's 2017 rule book BUG dimensions. S&W - no BUG-S for you. Edited December 30, 2016 by chasbo00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 bodyguard hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridenemwild Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 As bad as it sounds it seems like it is going to take pistols in the bodyguard size to shoot BUG because most of the old pistols don't fit in the box anymoreSent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'm done with BUG. My M&PC is out. Loved shooting it too. Maybe a CCP match now and then. This will the second time my BUG gun was eliminated. I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narwhal Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 Haha, kind of frustrating. I've been practicing for an upcoming classifier with my M&P compact and am well within the expert time almost every run in BUG with it, but usually 5 seconds over expert in CCP with it. Oh well, more motivation to practice I guess, doesn't really matter since I doubt I'll ever shoot anything beyond a club level match and classification is just for my ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narwhal Posted January 7, 2017 Author Share Posted January 7, 2017 On the latest rules revision they increased the maximum height for BUG to 4 & 5/8" or 4.625" to accommodate the shield, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f2benny Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 I assume the 43 still fits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACase Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 G43? Easily fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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