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Personally, I'd use neither.  Your best performers are going to be e3, Clay Dot, Clays, WST and Competition.  If you are looking for a softer feel, try American Select.  My bullseye load is RP case, WLP primer, 3.4gr Alliant e3 and a Dardas 200gr LSWC.  That load goes an average of 730fps and gives SDs in the under 6.0 range.  It is super clean, really accurate (but that is due in part to the bullet) and has no temperature sensitivity.  It meters wonderfully, and you can buy it in 8lb containers for $140.  What's not to like.

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Use the Bullseye.  TiteGroup is dirty and burn hot.  Plus it smokes like the devil with lubed lead bullets.  Everything else you have is too slow for mild target loads. 3.5 gr to 4.0 gr will give you velocities between 725 and 800 fps.  Most bullseye shooters using Bullseye load between 3.5 and 3.7 gr for iron sights and 3.7 and higher if they have a slide mounted rail and UltraDot.

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Use the Bullseye.  TiteGroup is dirty and burn hot.  Plus it smokes like the devil with lubed lead bullets.  Everything else you have is too slow for mild target loads. 3.5 gr to 4.0 gr will give you velocities between 725 and 800 fps.  Most bullseye shooters using Bullseye load between 3.5 and 3.7 gr for iron sights and 3.7 and higher if they have a slide mounted rail and UltraDot.


Thanks for the reply. I'll try some bullseye next.


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Beware of N310.  It is a wonderful powder for the Summer.  However, it is so temperature sensitive that at 32 degrees it barely cycles the slide.  It is what I used to use before switching to e3.

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4 hours ago, zzt said:

Beware of N310.  It is a wonderful powder for the Summer.  However, it is so temperature sensitive that at 32 degrees it barely cycles the slide.  It is what I used to use before switching to e3.

Interestng

i've used this load for over a decade without issue. I shoot all year, well over 100deg to Below zero temps, with an 18 1/2lb recoil spring in a 5"gun.

 

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2 minutes ago, zzt said:

RG, then you were using a lot hotter load, not a bullseye load with a 14lb spring.

Just checked my data.

Lowest temp chrono'ed; 40F

856fps avg for 10 rounds, SD 9!, 4.5gr N310, WLP, 200 LaserCast LSWC, 1.250 OAL, Mixed Brass, 5" Stainless Gold Match, 2500ft elev

I run 18.5 lb springs in my 5" guns, I just like the way the gun feels and the sights track. I like the gun to feel snappy in my hand.

 

My notes show loads from 4.2gr - 4.6gr of N310 in 4" and 5" guns.

92F gave me 882fps, SD 10, 2900ft elev

Earliest note are from 2003. So 13yrs with this load. I have some January accuracy notes at 5000ft elev, but no chrono data. No notes of any function issues. I've got notes for 8 1911's during the time frame with the same load.

4.6 at 45F gave me 912 from a 5" colt at 2900ft elev

I also like aa5 and 231 with the 1911.

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RG, I thought as much.  That is similar to the Wilson load, and supposedly superb.  Since VV's data shows 4.0gr as the max load for 45, I never went above it.

My fav load for a long time was RP brass, WLP, 4.05gr e3, 200gr LSWC.  It was good  for 780fps with an SD of 7.78.  I didn't record the temp for that string, but it was late spring.  Later at 72 degrees, the same load produced 807fps.  In the summer it got really hot and you could tell the difference in recoil.  My bullseye load was the same except 3.8gr N310.  It went from 767fps @ 72 to 741 @ 60 to 733 @ 56 to 705 @ 40 to not functioning the gun at 29-30.  

I gave up for it for bullseye shooting for that very reason.  So did several others at the club.  I had to go to Clay Dot for winter shooting, because I was hoarding my e3 for 40sw.

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You are correct about that being the "Wilson load", one of the most accurate and consistent loads I've ever tried. My data comes from mixed brass and thrown charges. If I segregate the brass the sd's shrink even with charges thrown on the Dillon.

I've always worked the load up to about 850fps in a five inch and stopped there. I had some VV data which I believe listed 4.2 as max and 850ish from a five inch gun.

The top end of the load range must agree with the power's burn rate hence the consistency Myself and others have experienced.

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200 gr swc with 4.1 grs of Clays Austr. OAL is 1.245-1.250 pf 172 out of a 5' 1911 45ACP

200 gr swc with 5.3 grs of HP_38 at OAL of 1.245-1.250 pf 172 out of a 5' 1911 45ACP

Both loads work in 4 of my 1911 45ACP pistols. Works for me.

Thanks,

Mike

 

 

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On 12/8/2016 at 5:22 AM, postalpainmaker said:

I want to use Win231 as I have had good luck with it in 230gr FMJ.

This is my load test data on SA 1911 Loaded (5" barrel). The bullet is Missouri Bullet Company's HiTek coated 200gn SWC (with lube ring). The actual weight of the bullet is 199.1gn with 0.38 standard deviation.

Powder	Win231(gn)	5.4	
Bullet	MB SWC(gn)	199.1	
COL		1.24"	
String	Velocity (fps)		
1	933.0	Average	872.3
2	887.1	High	933.0
3	838.1	Low	805.7
4	883.1	Sd	34.5
5	805.7	PF	173.7
6	869.0		
7	876.9		
8	886.8		
9	892.1		
10	850.7		

Powder	Win231(gn)	5.2	
Bullet	MB SWC(gn)	199.1	
COL		1.24"	
String	Velocity (fps)		
1	838.8	Average	838.8
2	892.1	High	892.1
3	830.5	Low	797.9
4	834.4	Sd	31.8
5	797.9	PF	167.0
6	824.8		
7	871.8		
8	810.5		
9	877.9		
10	808.9

 

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This is my load test data on SA 1911 Loaded (5" barrel). The bullet is Missouri Bullet Company's HiTek coated 200gn SWC (with lube ring). The actual weight of the bullet is 199.1gn with 0.38 standard deviation.

Powder	Win231(gn)	5.4	Bullet	MB SWC(gn)	199.1	COL		1.24"	String	Velocity (fps)		1	933.0	Average	872.32	887.1	High	933.03	838.1	Low	805.74	883.1	Sd	34.55	805.7	PF	173.76	869.0		7	876.9		8	886.8		9	892.1		10	850.7		Powder	Win231(gn)	5.2	Bullet	MB SWC(gn)	199.1	COL		1.24"	String	Velocity (fps)		1	838.8	Average	838.82	892.1	High	892.13	830.5	Low	797.94	834.4	Sd	31.85	797.9	PF	167.06	824.8		7	871.8		8	810.5		9	877.9		10	808.9

 


Great info thanks.


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