Aircooled6racer Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Hello: I thought I would start off here since this is where most PCC guys are looking for info. My loads are through a 16" KAW Valley barrel. First is my 115 grain Acme coated buller 3.3 grains of Tite Group, Winchester small pistol primers, 1.150" OAL gives me 131PF 900 feet above sea level. Next is my 124 grain Acme coated bullet, 3.1 grains of Tite Group, WSP, 1.150" OAL gives me 131PF. Hope this helps some of you out. Next will be 147 grain and maybe 165 grain bullets. Thanks, Eric Link to comment
Les Snyder Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 for you using Winchester Super Field and want one load for both pistol and PCC...pistol is G34 with Briley barrel (P)... carbine 16" (C)... Bayou 135 coated LRN 3.2 WSF (P) 907/122pf (C) 1063/144pf 3.5 WSF (P) 917/124pf (C) 1084/147pf 3.7 WSF (P) 961/130pf (C) 1105/149pf Link to comment
HawkMoney Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 anybody try 165's yet? Link to comment
fosters3 Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 (edited) Eric Have you noticed any smoke out of the ACME bullets compared to a FMJ or a thick plated bullet at minor power factor? I am shooting Steel Challenge with my JP PCC and if there is a little smoke it may be distracting. Thanks for the feedaback! Steve Edited January 8, 2017 by fosters3 Link to comment
chuck s Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 (edited) I have put around 1000 rounds of 165gr xtreme's down range in my 16 inch gun. They are the softest rounds I have used (I have also used 147s with 3.3 grains WST or N320). I used 2.8 gr of N320 and 3gr of WST with the 165s, giving me about 130 PF. One note is that my 147gr bullet is a .357 and the 165s are .356. I have always found the .357 bullets to shoot more accurately in my pistols. I do think that the 147s are more accurate, at least in this load, out of my PCC, however, both group very well at 25yds. I need to test out to 50 and 100 soon. I suspect the 165s will drop a good bit at 100. If that is the case I may very well work up a lighter bullet load for 3gun type distance shooting, much like I do with my 223. For USPSA distances,fast follow up rules the day. Edited January 8, 2017 by chuck s Link to comment
chuck s Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 I should note that I didn't go to a 165 searching for softer recoil in the PCC gun, the 147s were fine. I had switched to 165s in my pistol and did not want to have to load two different rounds for routine shooting Link to comment
Aircooled6racer Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 Hello: I have another one. Acme 147 grain, Winchester Super Target 3.0 grains, 1.145" OAL and Federal small pistol primers. 130PF. Thanks, Eric Link to comment
IntenseImage Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 I just took my normal 3.7 grains WSF w Xtreme 147s and stuck an Xtreme 124 on top instead. Feels nice but need to chrono both Link to comment
XtReMe90 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I loaded up 5.1 Grains of Longshot under some 115gr Montana golds at 1.135 OAL and it's noticeably softer shooting then any factory 115, 124 and 147s I have shot. It averaged 1154 fps out of My 16" JP GMR-13 Link to comment
Bamboo Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I chronoed some Win White box 115 grain 9mm out of my 16" blow back pcc and got an average of 160 pf. After chrono-ing them I realized why they seemed so harsh. In my PCC load quest I've tried 115 through 160 grain and am settling in on 135 grain bullets at the 970-ish FPS for a 130 PF. All of them work OK, but for me the 135's at just under subsonic strikes a nice balance and are very accurate. Bayous and SNS are what I favor in 135 grains and I am really liking the new 135 gr lipstick red SNS bullet. For powders American Select and Vectan GM3 - both are fast powders that are easy easy to load, cool burning, and very clean. I have some 95 grain SNS bullets loaded and will give them a try next, just to see how they feel. Link to comment
blaster113 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 My dedicated PCC load is 3.1 grains of Solo 1000 with a 125 gr BBI at 1.10 oal out of my 16" AR. Gets me 135 pf. Probably will be 125 or sub minor pf out of my SIGs. Link to comment
UFO Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 My PCC load; 135gr Bayou Bullet, 2.7gr of Clays, 1.105 O.A.L. 136pf Link to comment
Bamboo Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 UFO - I use clay dot in revolver and after things settle down some and I get some free time I was going to load some up for PCC. It is extremely clean burning in revolver and I bet the same holds true for PCC. Link to comment
Maxamundo Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 When you guys list your loads be sure to list your barrel length and barrel manufacturer too. I had a Kaw 16" go faster than a JP 14.5" which was faster than a JP 16" with multiple different identical loads. Link to comment
Aircooled6racer Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, Maxamundo said: When you guys list your loads be sure to list your barrel length and barrel manufacturer too. I had a Kaw 16" go faster than a JP 14.5" which was faster than a JP 16" with multiple different identical loads. Hello: Good point. I have a friend with a 14.5" JP barrel and it is on the slow side. I will chrono my KAW, Wilson Arms and my 16" JP when the weather clears up here. Thanks, Eric Link to comment
1eyedfatman Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) I'm thinking about working up a 115gr 9mm Titegroup load for my PCC. I normally load Xtreme 147gr with Titegroup 3.2 COL~1.122 for my pistol. Looking at Hodgden site for Titegroup: 9mm Luger, 115 GR. LRN, COL=1.100 Starting (GRS / Velocity) 3.9 1,075 Max (GRS / Velocity) 4.3 1151 I think I would like to increase COL to 1.130 thinking it may feed better in my Glock PCC mags. I'm not a knowledgeable loader, I just figure out what I need and stick with it. So I'm going to ask some questions which may be obvious to some of you guys. - Do you think at COL 1.130 I should still start off with 3.9grs of Titegroup? Given the Hodgdon load data is for pistol, would it be better if I dropped it down some to like to 3.5grs of Titegroup for a higher velocity 16" barrel? The idea is to reach power factor of 130-135. - Is there any logic as to whether a liter bullet (115gr) with more powder would have less perceived recoil than a heavier bullet (147gr) with less powder? Rifle would have a compensator and I imagine the liter bullet would produce more gas. Edited January 17, 2018 by 1eyedfatman Link to comment
Aircooled6racer Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 Hello: I have tried 115,121,124,130,135,145 and 147 grain bullets in my PCC's. First I would check to see if your barrel will take bullets loaded out to 1.130". I load my Glock mag PCC out to 1.140" OAL. I think you will find 115's a little harsh even at 130PF. A very nice load for a 16" PCC AR9 is 124 grain bullet, Winchester primers and 3.3 grains of Tite Group. This should give you a power factor of about 131-137 depending on your barrel. This is a nice and accurate load and shoots very flat with a good buffer setup. Thanks, Eric Link to comment
1eyedfatman Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Aircooled6racer said: Hello: I have tried 115,121,124,130,135,145 and 147 grain bullets in my PCC's. First I would check to see if your barrel will take bullets loaded out to 1.130". I load my Glock mag PCC out to 1.140" OAL. I think you will find 115's a little harsh even at 130PF. A very nice load for a 16" PCC AR9 is 124 grain bullet, Winchester primers and 3.3 grains of Tite Group. This should give you a power factor of about 131-137 depending on your barrel. This is a nice and accurate load and shoots very flat with a good buffer setup. Thanks, Eric Thanks...with 124gr bullet and 3.3 grains of Titegroup, is your OAL 1.140? Do you think for Xtreme 124gr bullet and OAL 1.130, I should still start off with Titegroup 3.3 grains? I'll have a Blitzkrieg piston comp and SJC PCC comp in an FX-9 carbine. Link to comment
Aircooled6racer Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) Hello: That load is with Extreme bullets at 1.140" OAL in my 16" barrel. Your barrel maybe throated differently. I would chrono your loads to see what you get through your barrel. Thanks, Eric Edited January 17, 2018 by Aircooled6racer Link to comment
wyliearms Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I tried 165's and the gun felt sluggish and slowed me down. I had to run them hotter than my 147 load. My go to is 3.0 grains of clean Shot under a Hornady 147 FMJBT. Smooth as butter. Link to comment
MikieM Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 What length is your barrel, Wylie? I would think the 147's through a 16 inch barrel would be a very good combination. Link to comment
Aircooled6racer Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 Hello: Not Wylie but my 2.8 grains of Tite Group with 147 Acme bullets gives more dot lift than my 124 load but it is easier on the shoulder. It feels a little sluggish also. I have shot that same load in my MPX and it is crazy soft but I am not sure on the power factor. Thanks, Eric Link to comment
stick Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) Here's some of my data PSA 16" barrel Bullet Brand Bayou Bullet Type Round Nose Bullet Weight 160gr Powder Name Titegroup Powder Weight 2.5gr Primer Federal COL 1.14 Average Chronograph Speed 903.7 Standard Deviation 14.28 Chronograph Speed 886 923 Power Factor 144 Bullet Brand Everglades Bullet Type Round Nose Bullet Weight 147gr Powder Name Titegroup Powder Weight 3.0gr Primer Federal COL 1.130-1.135 Average Chronograph Speed 973.9 Standard Deviation 52.48 Chronograph Speed 890 1033 Power Factor 143 Bullet Brand Everglades Bullet Type Round nose Bullet Weight 147gr Powder Name Titegroup Powder Weight 2.5gr Primer Federal COL 1.130-1.135 Average Chronograph Speed 908.7 Standard Deviation 26.7 Chronograph Speed 863 961 Power Factor 133 Edited January 17, 2018 by stick Link to comment
MikieM Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Guys, like Maxamundo asked earlier, please include the barrel length, and the manufacturer (if possible), these loads were shot through. Many of us use different length barrels, which as you know affects velocity. I have three different length barrels myself to worry about. Thanks, Mike. P.S. Good job, stick. Link to comment
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