DaveInHawaii Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Hi guys, I'm working up some loads for a new CZ and the short chamber is messing with my plans. I was planning on using Zero 125 gr JHP (.356) with Titegroup. I could not get the round to pass the plunk test and gave up trying when I reached an OAL of 1.070...and that was still too long. I have some 147 grain Speer TMJ loaded to an OAL of 1.130 and they fit the CZ chamber just fine. The only issue is they are not as accurate as I would like. I would appreciate any suggestions for bullets that have history of being accurate (50 yard accurate) and also have a profile can be loaded to a reasonable OAL with shorter chambers. Thanks a lot, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haiedras Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Honestly, I'd ream the barrel if you wanted to stay with a JHP/FP profile. If the TMJ's can be run out to 1.130, then I'd play with that or any RN. When you say the 147s weren't as accurate as you'd like, what were they grouping at when you shot them, and what accuracy standard are you looking for at 50 yds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Xtreme bullets RN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDA Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Did you ink up a round and spin it in the chamber to see what area was making contact? Perhaps the OAL isn't the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inspector1999 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Two CZ SP-01s, both are good with BBI 125 CN (http://shop.blackbulletsinternational.com/images/9%20125%20BBI.jpg) I load to 1.10 over 3.7 grains of Tite Group. They are accurate, cheap and high quality. 12,000 last year and none deformed and every bullet weighed at least 125 grains. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdinga Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Try the precison delta 124 JHP. This bullet loaded ahead of WSF is magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveInHawaii Posted November 29, 2016 Author Share Posted November 29, 2016 Good advice. Thanks guys. It does like those Zero 125 grain pills. But, it gives me fliers and there are some malfunctions due to the short chamber...so I should probably get it reamed. I did paint one of the rounds yesterday with a marker and got a nice ring where the rifling made contact. Actually, I don't think the barrel likes 147 grain bullets. That’s too bad because my other nines do like the heavier bullets. The gun is a CZ Rami which has a 3" barrel. I was shooting for a 1" group at 25 yards and 3” out to 50. I shoot steel out to 50 yards…it’s just for fun. From a sand bag at 25 yards, the Zero 125 JHP average just over 2" with the best group at 1.3". The 147 (Zero / Speer) groups average over 3". The 147 Zero JHP did pass the plunk test when loaded to 1.120. But, I didn’t realize the Zero 125s were too long until after the testing. I appreciate the help. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeinctown Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Maybe I'm missing something here, but you expect a compact gun with a short barrel to be accurate at 50 yards? That would be some good shooting for sure. (or really good luck) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inspector1999 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 I have an Accu-shadow with a match barrel and would be happy with those results. So a Rami with that accuracy would be a unicorn for sure. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveInHawaii Posted November 29, 2016 Author Share Posted November 29, 2016 Yea, I agree the 3" at 50 yards is not realistic. Or, maybe the amount of time it would take is not worth it. Part of the fun for me is finding out the potential of each gun. Take care,Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDescribe Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Many people (I'm one) find that CZ pistols need to get 147gr bullets going a little faster than other pistols for good accuracy. I tend to find 925 to be about the minimum average for good results at 25 yards. I load them to a target of 935 feet/sec. The difference in accuracy between 935 and 900 is significant for me in my CZ pistols. Not so much in my other 9mm pistols. You do NOT need to ream your barrel. You CAN, but you do not need to. I'll tell you right now that it's not uncommon for JHP bullets to need to be down betwen 1.06 and 1.08 in a CZ. There is one ZERO profile that needs to be a little shorter, and it should be avoided. Maybe that's the one you have? I have no idea. If you want 124/125 grain bullets, may I recommend the Precision Delta 124gr RN for 38 Super, instead of the 124gr RN for 9mm. The difference is that the 38 Super bullet is sized .356 to the 9mm being sized .355. It is perfectly fine to use .356 38SUP jacketed bullets in 9mm, so don't sweat it. You load them normally. My other pistols prefer the PD 124gr JHP, but in my CZ pistols, that 38SUP 124gr RN is the better option. As long as you buy 2,000 or more at a time, they're 8.9 cents per bullet. Shipping is free in the continental U.S.. Can't speak for Hawaii. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveInHawaii Posted November 29, 2016 Author Share Posted November 29, 2016 Excellent, thanks for the tips!What 147 bullet do you like for your CZs?Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDescribe Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 ACME 145RN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLeeCZ Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Precision Delta 124 JHPs shoot great in my CZs. For 147gr, Precision Delta 147 FMJ is also a great bullet. Personally for 147, I like SNS NLG coated 147gr FP at 1.14" over WSF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) This was mentioned in a post in the Tanfoglio forum here on BEnos (our guns have super short chambers much like CZs) Quote Depends on the bullets: I load my BBI 147's to 1.085 I load my SNS 147 FP's to 1.135 Edited November 30, 2016 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 JLeeCZ. I run SNS also my 147s I run out to 1,150 to 1.153 they work in my CZ and my Trojan . WSF and ran them 3.6 to 3.9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLeeCZ Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, wingnut said: JLeeCZ. I run SNS also my 147s I run out to 1,150 to 1.153 they work in my CZ and my Trojan . WSF and ran them 3.6 to 3.9 Yep. 3.8gr WSF is where I settled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kulaglock11 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Hi, DaveinHawaii, It looks like you are dealing with a issue I have with my CZSP01 Shadow, can"t seem to find that magic load combo!! I was wondering how you were benching you pistol, using those carpet rolls at the range don't really work for me. I am finding out that the oal on my loads using many types of bullet shape and weights in my barrel is driving me crazy also!! I do get some great load data on this site from others and what they use and have tried! Good luck ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveInHawaii Posted December 1, 2016 Author Share Posted December 1, 2016 Hi, thanks everyone for the great input. And hello to Kulaglock11...a fellow Honolulu shooter. If you go to the pistol range, I'm the tall, bald guy that is almost always shooting revolvers. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to figure the little CZ out I ordered some of the Precision Deltas and those might do the trick. The gun is harder to shoot with the short barrel. But, I don't think that's the issue so far. It sounds like I'm probably not pushing the bullets fast enough with the short barrel and lighter loads I was using. This is the rest that I use and you will recognize the view. (BTW, say hello if you see me. I'm usually at the range on Friday afternoons and Saturday.) Loading for the 9mm is definitely more of a challenge than my revolvers. But, it's helping me learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kulaglock11 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Hi DaveInHawaii, Yah, thanks for cool pics, I may be up there again for the next few days, I will look for you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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