Ddipert Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Not sure if this is the right area or not but figure it's a reloading issue. Was shooting a match over the weekend. Pull the trigger the recoil felt different. Cycled the slide thinking I might have a squib pulled back the slide unburned powder all over the place. Cleared the gun and went to check for a squib. No squib but it's got me wondering what happened? Don't understand how the bullet would have exited the barrel with all the unburned powder STI edge 180gr 5.2N320 with federal primers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlmiller1 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Stupid question but are you using one shot case lube? I used to & had some rounds do that. Changed to dillon lube & never happened again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 24 minutes ago, mlmiller1 said: Stupid question but are you using one shot case lube? I used to & had some rounds do that. Changed to dillon lube & never happened again Yes OS will do that if you dont give it a chance to dry before dumping powder in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddipert Posted November 9, 2016 Author Share Posted November 9, 2016 Yes I'm using one shot or no case lube. Guess it's possible, loaded 500 rounds that session and only found this one as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaylanGivens Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 What is actually happening here? Does the One Shot deactivate the powder or something? I've used One Shot for years... When I spray it on the brass there are always some that are facing mouth up... I'm sure they get some OS spray in them... I usually wait about 10 minutes until I start loading... I've never had a problem... How long should you wait? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlmiller1 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I just got rid of one shot & now I use dillon lube instead. Same method but never another problem. I wont be using one shot again ever. I spray lube in big baggie, give it a few seconds, then dump brass in baggie, zip shut, roll it over a few times & dump in my 650. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 37 minutes ago, mlmiller1 said: I just got rid of one shot & now I use dillon lube instead. Same method but never another problem. I wont be using one shot again ever. I spray lube in big baggie, give it a few seconds, then dump brass in baggie, zip shut, roll it over a few times & dump in my 650. +1 OS takes more elbow grease because it isn't as slippery as Dillon lube. I also don't spray directly on the brass, I spray into a Tupperware container, fill with brass, put the top on and shake, and dump into the case feeder. No reason to put something other than powder into the case... jj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78Staff Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Interesting, I've always sprayed on the brass lightly in a flat tupperware container. No issues yet but will try spraying container first then adding brass, which does make sense re not getting lube inside the case...thanks, For some reason I thought Dillon was for rifle only? Not sure why though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rishii Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I've also used one shot for years with no problems one thing to consider is there are 2 types of one shot, one's a case lube the others a gun lube and it's easy to get the 2 mixed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlmiller1 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I was using one shot case lube. Now I dont/wont. YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJGary Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 65k with OS not one problem, don't tell me this now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 17 minutes ago, GJGary said: 65k with OS not one problem, don't tell me this now. I never had a problem with it. I just let it sit for a few minutes before loading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DagoRed Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Dang, I'd be willing to try the Dillon but I kept forgetting I already bought another can and now have 4 of One Shot. . I dump approx 100 cases in a large plastic bag (a thoroughly dried 7lb ice bag is my favorite) spray, close quick so there's airspace and then shake. But I always let the cases dry for a bit while I'm doing other stuff. When I run out I'll try Dillon in case it does make cycling smoother Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzShooter Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 I've been using One Shot for many years and never had a problem with it. I tried Dillon about a month ago and didn't like the way the cases felt after reloading. I'd have to tumble them again to get the lube off so I gave that bottle to a friend. Cases did size easier with the Dillon. Maybe I used too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiegunks Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 On November 9, 2016 at 1:57 PM, mlmiller1 said: Stupid question but are you using one shot case lube? I used to & had some rounds do that. Changed to dillon lube & never happened again ^^^^^^ this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SV650Squid Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 I haven't had issue with one-shot. I lube cases, laid one layer deep in a small tote, spray, shake around for ~20 seconds, and dump in collator. Then, load primer tubes, double check my powder drop, etc. By that time, it's dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlmiller1 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Plenty of people never have trouble with one shot & I am glad but as you can see, some do have trouble with it. If it works for you, go for it. Just wont be me buying any one shot ever again. Not worth the risk to me of light loads & powder all over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFoley001 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Stupid question, but with carbide dies, why are we lubing cases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 hour ago, JFoley001 said: Stupid question, but with carbide dies, why are we lubing cases? Easier on everything, including me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFoley001 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 18 hours ago, Hi-Power Jack said: Easier on everything, including me Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkreutz Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 The problem I see with the responses is that the brass is sprayed and then immediately put into the case feeder. The lube has to be given time for the carrier (alcohol) to evaporate. I use Dillon now, but I've used One Shot in the past and I spray the cases, roll them back and forth in a towel, and then let them set for a couple of days before I pour them into a container next to the press. Then I put 3/4 of a liter measuring cup into the case feeder when it runs out. If you have to put wet cases into the cycle, you don't have enough brass in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEH Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Maybe I had a good teacher but back about 15 years ago,,My teacher told me to use Dillon lube on everything I loaded. I have one of the tin can that popcorn comes in,took the lid put in some cardboard cut round to fit.lay brass in it on its side,can get a couple hundred 9's in it.Hold it in my hand and spray one time throw in case feeder and load,never a problem. I always have used carbide dies , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I had this happen but I could not pin it on One Shot. I had recycled some cases that were salvaged from a failed IMI frangible bullet experiment. I had used frangibles before but never this brand. These were quite difficult to crimp without the bullet cracking at the case mouth. I had about 100 left so I got out the impact bullet "puller" and proceeded to salvage the cases and powder (must of been a slow period in my life ;-) ) It took quite a few whacks as the form factor of these 125 grain .40 bullets was a bit longer than a normal 180 RN. The components were eventually salvaged and went into other loads. At one match, I was shooting bam, bam, bam, poot. I stopped but saw there were 2 holes on the last target and the barrel was clear. What was interesting was that there was a bunch of powder in the chamber. It happened again a bit later with the same result. I gave it one more try and I got what seemed to be a light strike with no bam or poot. I stopped, carefully set the round aside and when I got home, I took it apart with a collet puller that I had bought. It turns out that there was only primer compound under the spider arms and the rest of the cup was empty. The repeated impact of the bullet "puller" had cracked the primer compound so they were weak to dead. I examined other rounds and saw the same sort of damage. I put the empty cases into a pistol for testing and got varying degrees of "pop"; some nothing at all. So it seems that I was getting only partial powder ignition. I never saw it again after I had culled the cases from the frangible ammo. As for lube, I have been using One Shot for more than a decade without issue. I put it on like Bkreutz but without the multiday wait. The cases will get into the casefeeder shortly after the spray. I guess 0:10-30 min is the time before I start loading. Short version: It could be your primers and/or powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat9999 Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 OneShot sprayed into a 1 qt. ziploc for about a second, 2-3 handfuls of brass into same bag, shake for a bit and away it goes to reloading. Never had a problem in +40k rounds so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat4boxer Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 On January 7, 2017 at 11:03 AM, flat9999 said: OneShot sprayed into a 1 qt. ziploc for about a second, 2-3 handfuls of brass into same bag, shake for a bit and away it goes to reloading. Never had a problem in +40k rounds so far. Exactly. Agreed. This is what i've been using for a couple years now with no issues whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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