racknrider Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 2 hours ago, Dirtchevy841 said: Bought a g23. What class would this be good in also s the round max 10 rds Could be used in SSP or ESP with 10+1 or CCP @ 8+1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWSixgunner Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 We don't even know what that means in Tucson. LolSent from my iPhone using TapatalkOff topic, but I once took my daughter to the Chaco Canyon observatory. We somehow hit the one night of the year when viewing was closed due to thunderstorms[emoji12] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narwhal Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Well, so much for my M&P compact in BUG. It is over the new weight limit by about 2 ounces. Oddly, I can now shoot an M&P fullsize (4.25 barrel) in CCP since it meets all those qualifications, and even throw a 9mm barrel in my .40 and be legal i think. It is close on the width with the medium grip insert but would probably still fit even with that. Does anyone see a reason why you couldn't shoot a fullsize M&P in CCP now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlspeed Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Whats the class winner for BUG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 As of today it looks like the Big BUG is meant to be the Shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Wow, if the Shield is BUG legal then I own a BUG gun. I might shoot it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robport Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 On 12/16/2016 at 11:22 PM, narwhal said: Well, so much for my M&P compact in BUG. It is over the new weight limit by about 2 ounces. Oddly, I can now shoot an M&P fullsize (4.25 barrel) in CCP since it meets all those qualifications, and even throw a 9mm barrel in my .40 and be legal i think. It is close on the width with the medium grip insert but would probably still fit even with that. Does anyone see a reason why you couldn't shoot a fullsize M&P in CCP now? Is the M&P too tall? My XD mod 2 4" is by 1/8 " and now no longer allowed in CCP. I hadn't even done a match with it yet and they made it illegal . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narwhal Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 the M&P compact is definitely legal in CCP stil. The M&P fullsize I think might be a hair too tall. I measured a little over 137mm from the bottom of the magazine to the top of the rear sight with digital calipers, which is just 1mm too tall for CCP. Maybe some kind of super low profile sights could get it into CCP, not sure. They are both questionable on width with the large sized backstrap but the bastrap material is kind of rubbery/flexible so not sure if you would be able to squeeze it into a box or if you'd just need to use the medium backstrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridenemwild Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Is the sig p320 subcompact still legal for bug?Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koteris Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 If all the stuff on the web is right, then the sig p320 is not bug legal any more. It has a 3.6" barrel and the new max is 3.5" Additionally, the new bug box is 6 1/2" x 4 1/2" x 1 3/8", and the p320 subcompact (from the sig website) is 6.7" x 4.7" x 1.3". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridenemwild Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Man that's really close. Sounds like the shield or the xds 3.3 are really the best optionsSent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColonial Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Shield seems to be DQ'd from BUG now. It's 1/16" too tall according to published specs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridenemwild Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 If that's true then I think they made a big mistake. The shield is probably the most common gun that was used in BUG at the matches I've been to.Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColonial Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 28 minutes ago, Ridenemwild said: If that's true then I think they made a big mistake. The shield is probably the most common gun that was used in BUG at the matches I've been to. Exactly what I said in my feedback to HQ, as did many others I'm sure. Of course, they didn't pay any mind to any feedback it seems. Unless Bill Wilson can make a buck (ala PCC) it probably won't be fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) I think they fudged The Box to admit the Shield. But what was reported was: 6) BUG size changed slightly (weight) to accommodate the Shield. The current draft would make them not legal which was not the intention. Edited December 26, 2016 by Jim Watson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twowheels Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 I thought I saw a communication from HQ somewhere indicating that the spec for BUG would be adjusted slightly so the shield would fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColonial Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 The comm I saw only mentioned a weight adjustment for the Shield and one would assume they'd check the size. In another forum, a poster wrote that he had built the box and it didn't fit. I guess we'll see what the final, real, final rulebook holds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) Real rulebook from IDPA.com says 8.2.19 Semi-Automatic BUG (BUG-S) F. The firearm with the largest magazine inserted must fit in the IDPA gun test box measuring 6 1/2" x 4 1/2" x 1 3/8". But I see the Shield listed at 4.6" tall, so maybe they didn't really accommodate it. The Florida Memo said "6) BUG size changed slightly (weight) to accommodate the Shield. The current draft would make them not legal which was not the intention." Still have some work to do on that one. Edited December 26, 2016 by Jim Watson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridenemwild Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 With 2017 rulebook 2.0 the idpa BUG box has changed to 6 1/2 x 4 5/8 x 1Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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