AbitNutz Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 I'm doing research on a new pistol build. I'm just floored over SVI's. Are they really as great and innovative as they appear? The only thing I can fault them for is that all of that innovation has moved them further and further away from being able to use anything but proprietary parts...and of course, catastrophic pricing. The slide, because of the cool breech face, can't take a 1911 firing pin or extractor. Does this kind of thing bother anyone? Should it bother me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 I'm doing research on a new pistol build. I'm just floored over SVI's. Are they really as great and innovative as they appear? The only thing I can fault them for is that all of that innovation has moved them further and further away from being able to use anything but proprietary parts...and of course, catastrophic pricing. The slide, because of the cool breech face, can't take a 1911 firing pin or extractor. Does this kind of thing bother anyone? Should it bother me? They are very nice, no question. I would not worry about the proprietary parts at all.The only thing that is a bummer is how psycho expensive they are. But, most of the other absolute top of the line builders put out a similar quality product, but at a similar price point (M2i, Kodiak, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbitNutz Posted September 18, 2016 Author Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) I priced a slide with their online configuration tool and it bounced off $900.00, just for the slide, with minimal options. I'm not complaining...like you say, ultimately, they're all up in nosebleed territory. Edited September 18, 2016 by AbitNutz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 As long as you realize it's a svi : 1911 type you're fine. Wonderfully nice pistol as long as you're willing to drink the proprietary cool aid. Great pistols non the less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 I don't the no I could ever justify an SV. Sure they are pricey but if I can't order a part from shooters connection for it I wouldn't want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansedgli Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) The firing pin channel on an Infinity slide with Interchangeable Breechface is shorter than a standard 1911. The firing pin length is standard, however, the firing pin spring must be cut to a length where the end of the spring is flush with the tip of the firing pin when the spring is fully seated on the firing pin. Ordering parts from sviguns.Com is just as easy. Edited September 18, 2016 by dansedgli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 as dan says firing pin is normal 1911 as is the extractor. all the popular 1911 extractors (including aftec) work just fine in a SVI IBF slide (either on a 1911 or 2011 frame. off the of my head the interchangeable parts are: hammer sear disconector extractor ejector firing pin guide rods reverse plugs springs (recoil, main, mag release, plunger tube, firing pin - cut down, sear) slide stop firing pin stop plate mainspring cap mainspring lower mainspring/magwell pin hammer pin, sear pin, ejector pin thumb safety if you run the polymer grip then these parts are also standard 2011 mag release catch mainspring housing magwell trigger bow grip bushings and grip screw trigger guard screws basically the only proprietary parts are the IBF itself and the screw (both available freely from SVI) and if you use a SVI steel grip then there are proprietary parts in that (mag catch, magwell, non functional grip safety etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 11 hours ago, BeerBaron said: as dan says firing pin is normal 1911 as is the extractor. all the popular 1911 extractors (including aftec) work just fine in a SVI IBF slide (either on a 1911 or 2011 frame. off the of my head the interchangeable parts are: hammer sear disconector extractor ejector firing pin guide rods reverse plugs springs (recoil, main, mag release, plunger tube, firing pin - cut down, sear) slide stop firing pin stop plate mainspring cap mainspring lower mainspring/magwell pin hammer pin, sear pin, ejector pin thumb safety if you run the polymer grip then these parts are also standard 2011 mag release catch mainspring housing magwell trigger bow grip bushings and grip screw trigger guard screws basically the only proprietary parts are the IBF itself and the screw (both available freely from SVI) and if you use a SVI steel grip then there are proprietary parts in that (mag catch, magwell, non functional grip safety etc). Hmm. A buddy tried a non SV slide stop and it was a no go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I could be wrong but I'm fairly certain there's nothing proprietary in the SVI slide stops. slide stops can need some fitting in any brand 2011 frame, it could be the outer shape needed some work to fit into the pocket in the frame . it could have been the new one's pin was oversize vs the old one? getting lockback function (if desired) is an entirely different issue though. supporting this is I have seen an SV frame running a SSI thumb rest type slide stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1 hour ago, BeerBaron said: I could be wrong but I'm fairly certain there's nothing proprietary in the SVI slide stops. slide stops can need some fitting in any brand 2011 frame, it could be the outer shape needed some work to fit into the pocket in the frame . it could have been the new one's pin was oversize vs the old one? getting lockback function (if desired) is an entirely different issue though. supporting this is I have seen an SV frame running a SSI thumb rest type slide stop. No I'm certain he talked to SV and he had to get one from them. Of course they could just be schisters and have folks convinced you need their parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I believe SV recommend always to use SV parts on their pistols for consistency. When I get home I'll do a little experiment and see if one of my STI or other brand slide stops will go in my SV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blammo Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 21 hours ago, Sarge said: No I'm certain he talked to SV and he had to get one from them. Of course they could just be schisters and have folks convinced you need their parts. How was it a no go? It didn't fit? This seems more speculative than factual. I know that an SSI fits in mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 3 hours ago, Blammo said: How was it a no go? It didn't fit? This seems more speculative than factual. I know that an SSI fits in mine. It did not fit. Too big. Not speculating anything. I was with him when he called to get one sent to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 My first SV build did not have all SV parts. Subsequently, all my others did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalTeacher Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Sarge said: It did not fit. Too big. Not speculating anything. I was with him when he called to get one sent to him. Would it not go in the slide stop pin hole? Or was it contacting the lower lugs? If it was the latter then than can happen with an oversized part being used as a seal for a part that was used to fit the barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 It did not fit. Too big. Not speculating anything. I was with him when he called to get one sent to him.Pretty positive I had an STI in my SV frame, before I sold it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 i tried one of my sti slide stops in my svi last night (svi frame, ibf slide but schuemann barrel). it worked. I'm guessing in sarge's case it was an oversize pin. a few SVI's that I played with the pins measured a little on the small side so if it was something like an EGW (who make oversize .201 pins) then I can see why it didn't work and needed to get the svi pin. but they are not unique in any other aspect I can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTH Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I got to shoot one and wow....beautiful gun and smooth as glass but just a touch out of my price range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashDodson Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Im not one to wait...the custom build lead times are crazy to me. I sometimes think the extended wait times are to create a perceived value more then it actually takes 15 months to build a gun. If it took most of us 15 months to do our jobs we wouldn't have one. There is no reason it takes 15 months to build a gun. They dont want to hire more people or more equipment because they want to keep the perceived value of the product high. IMHO. With that said I just recently bought a used SV . Its a beautiful gun and a pleasure to shoot. I will say that their tolerances are so tight that it does make disassembly and reassembly more interesting than other pistols. If you want a 2011 then custom is the only way I would ever go. I have another custom 2011 I bought off gun broker a year ago...I am thinking about selling it and having SV build me another matching gun so I can have a practice/backup and match gun that feel identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmBeach1 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 29 minutes ago, CrashDodson said: Im not one to wait...the custom build lead times are crazy to me. I sometimes think the extended wait times are to create a perceived value more then it actually takes 15 months to build a gun. If it took most of us 15 months to do our jobs we wouldn't have one. There is no reason it takes 15 months to build a gun. They dont want to hire more people or more equipment because they want to keep the perceived value of the product high. IMHO. What a bunch of bunk. If you think 15 months is long, then I guess Wilson Combat with wait times as long as 4 years on some of their models would really drive you nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashDodson Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Wtf takes 4 years? It's a pistol not trumps wall. Do they work on the gun for 5 min once a month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I have it in good authority it only takes a few days at most to build one. Getting sent out for finishing etc can add time etc. the lead times are all about back orders. I'm sure when your gun comes up in the rotation it's actually built pretty quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlmiller1 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I am sure it only take a few days to build your gun. Like others said, it is a back order thing. As long as people are willing to wait that long, custom builders will continue to take back orders. I wish I had customers willing to wait 15 months for me to build their cabinets! Especially if they would hand me nonrefundable half the money up front. Woohooo! Now that would be nice. No motivation to ever get "caught up". If you can charge the amount you want to charge & people will wait for 15 months or longer, now that is a good deal. Since competition guns are not like houses or cars or anything people really "need", then this custom gun business will continue to be an order & wait until they get to your order type of customer service. It is a willing participant scam if you ask me but hey, what the heck. It is absolutely none of my business what people do in order to get their gun done their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashDodson Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Maybe the main gunsmith at SVI and other high end builders won't teach any of their employees their secrets and are instead forced to touch every gun themselves. If they had 1k guns on order and one guy was having to do the fit and finish it could explain some of the wait. Then you have to wait another 2 months to get it coated.Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Brandon can build 5+ guns a day. Trust me, we want him touching every gun that goes out the door. His attention to detail and work ethic continually astound me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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