RaylanGivens Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Do any of you build USPSA stages with classic targets set as metric in PractiScore? Someone came up to me yesterday during a match and said they were concerned that scorekeepers might be used to the metric column spacing and put the hits in the wrong column. They suggested that most people built all stages with metric targets regardless of the actual target type. Do you guys use metric targets regardless of the actual target type? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mitch Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 No. Also, that is not a smart solution to a fake problem. The person keeping score: if they can't get it right, fire them and replace with someone who can read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Yes, I know when I am setting up the match what stages have metric and classic targets and I set them up accordingly. the fun one is disappearing targets you have to set them as disappearing to get the no penalty mikes column to be active, but I normally don't want to make that active for all the targets (cuts down on errors) so I try to figure out how the ROs will be scoring the stage for left or right handed shooters and make the appropriate ones have NPM's available. I have a quick Rant on this, For scoring targets B's and C's are interchangeable (verbiage from 9.1.4 For the pur-pose of this rule, B-zone and C-zone hits shall be considered one and the same.) so why do we even still have B's and C's Makes no sense to me just makes the head floppy on the target and scoring more complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euxx Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 At some point there used to be something somewhere that Bs can be used to break a tie. But I don't recall the exact details and haven't seen it in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 At some point there used to be something somewhere that Bs can be used to break a tie. But I don't recall the exact details and haven't seen it in practice. That goes back to 9.3.1 in the 2001 rule book. It changed in 2004 to just a tie breraker and not B/C count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 No. Also, that is not a smart solution to a fake problem. The person keeping score: if they can't get it right, fire them and replace with someone who can read. Wow. Guess I need to turn in my tablets. I've been thrown off by this more than once and I thought I knew how to use PractiScore.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euxx Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 No. Also, that is not a smart solution to a fake problem. The person keeping score: if they can't get it right, fire them and replace with someone who can read. Wow. Guess I need to turn in my tablets. I've been thrown off by this more than once and I thought I knew how to use PractiScore.... Zack, how many times you've entered Ms instead of Ds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziebart Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I have done it a couple of times myself. I normally notice when the HF is really low when reviewing scores. Normally happens if I have to jump in on the scorepad quick during a local match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 No. Also, that is not a smart solution to a fake problem. The person keeping score: if they can't get it right, fire them and replace with someone who can read. Wow. Guess I need to turn in my tablets. I've been thrown off by this more than once and I thought I knew how to use PractiScore.... Zack, how many times you've entered Ms instead of Ds? Never. My problem is on the opposite side. I tend to enter C's as B's after scoring a stage that uses metric targets after scoring one that uses classic targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euxx Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 So, it is all matter of paying attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaylanGivens Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 I never had anyone mention this until Sunday's match... We had a lot of out of town shooters at this match... Not sure if that contributed to the problem in any way...I'm not sure what the answer to this is... The target header floats in PractiScore... so if you have more targets than will fit on the screen - maybe a small phone... you can still see the target zones at the top of the screen... I'm sure the problem is that scorekeepers know to skip to the third column to enter a "C"... We passed the word between range officers to announce the possible issue right after the stage briefing on classic target stages... You could add a dummy target column (maybe blacked out) in PractiScore between the "A" and "C" columns on classic target stages... Not sure that's a good idea... seems like that might confuse people, too... Plus... It seems like a human problem, not a PractiScore problem to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euxx Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Additionally, the classic targets were added mainly for the ipsc crowd. They don't have B column issue there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaylanGivens Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 Of course... Good point... I was mainly curious to see if most stats guys built all USPSA stages as metric regardless of target type... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester121 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I've always wondered if new IPSC shooters ask "Why do scoring zones go from A to C and skip over B?" and what the other guys tell them... Answer: Because 'Murica, headshots, and Colonel Jeff Cooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I think the real solution is to run more stages with classic targets, we run a minimum of one stage each month with classic targets, some times we even have more with classics than metrics so everyone is pretty used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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