Iowashooter Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 I was reading the rules this morning and per my interpretation (which has little meaning) my Springer Precision EZ slide racker would be legal in this division. As it completely replaces the striker retaining plate. And per the rule it states that that part can be replaced with aftermarket parts. Correct me if I am wrong. Also, if I am understanding the rule correctly my TTI basepad will be legal as well provided they do not exceed 140mm? Any help is appreciated. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraj Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Exchange of minor EXTERNAL components "Sights, firing pins, firing pin retainers, pins, extractors and ejectors MAY be replaced with OFM or aftermarket parts. Any other components which are externally visible may ONLY be replaced with OFM parts which are offered on the specific model of gun or another approved gun from the same manufacturer except as specifically clarified below. Examples of external components which may only be replaced with OFM parts include (but are not limited to): magazine releases, slide stops, thumb safeties and triggers. The Vanek trigger, much like the Speed Bump trigger, has an external modification that makes it illegal for Carry Optics division. The Speed Bump trigger has the travel screw mounted to the rear of the trigger and is visible externally, the Vanek trigger, has relocated the pivot pin about 3/16 above the factory specs, and has filled in the original hole with a black material that is still visible on inspection. Special Notes/Clarifications: Barrels are considered external parts and are subject to specific restrictions in 21.4 and associated rulings. A factory/OFM magazine release which extends only the length of the magazine release may be used. A magazine release which provides a larger surface area (paddles, buttons) may only be used if it is an OFM part available on an approved model of gun. Externally-visible parts from custom shop guns will only be considered OFM parts if the custom-shop gun is on the NROI list of approved Carry Optics guns." "UNLESS a modification is SPECIFICALLY authorized in the rules or SPECIFICALLY authorized in an official, published NROI interpretation, it is considered a PROHIBITED MODIFICATION." If it isn't listed it has to be a oem part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraj Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 140mm magazines are fine, but they are still loaded to 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowashooter Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 Exchange of minor EXTERNAL components "Sights, firing pins, firing pin retainers, pins, extractors and ejectors MAY be replaced with OFM or aftermarket parts. Any other components which are externally visible may ONLY be replaced with OFM parts which are offered on the specific model of gun or another approved gun from the same manufacturer except as specifically clarified below. Examples of external components which may only be replaced with OFM parts include (but are not limited to): magazine releases, slide stops, thumb safeties and triggers. The Vanek trigger, much like the Speed Bump trigger, has an external modification that makes it illegal for Carry Optics division. The Speed Bump trigger has the travel screw mounted to the rear of the trigger and is visible externally, the Vanek trigger, has relocated the pivot pin about 3/16 above the factory specs, and has filled in the original hole with a black material that is still visible on inspection. Special Notes/Clarifications: Barrels are considered external parts and are subject to specific restrictions in 21.4 and associated rulings. A factory/OFM magazine release which extends only the length of the magazine release may be used. A magazine release which provides a larger surface area (paddles, buttons) may only be used if it is an OFM part available on an approved model of gun. Externally-visible parts from custom shop guns will only be considered OFM parts if the custom-shop gun is on the NROI list of approved Carry Optics guns." "UNLESS a modification is SPECIFICALLY authorized in the rules or SPECIFICALLY authorized in an official, published NROI interpretation, it is considered a PROHIBITED MODIFICATION." If it isn't listed it has to be a oem part Thanks for the reply. Just so I am clear. You are saying the slide racker is prohibited? When I read it as firing pin retainer. I figured an aftermarket part would be ok.Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 I think it is questionable at least. The questioned part is a firing pin retainer only for the purpose of attaching a slide racker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowashooter Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 How should I go about getting a definitive answer. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikerburgess Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Send Troy McManus (DNROI) email dnroi@uspsa.org That said is the slide racker striker plate sold and labeled as a firing pin stop? If not I would highly doubt it's ok Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowashooter Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 Send Troy McManus (DNROI) email dnroi@uspsa.org That said is the slide racker striker plate sold and labeled as a firing pin stop? If not I would highly doubt it's ok Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk http://shop.springerprecision.com/product.sc?productId=257&categoryId=25Thus is the part in question yes it is a solid one piece replacement. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCTaylor Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 IMO, it is an external modification with a non-factory part that is not legal per the rules posted above. Email Troy for a formal answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 If Troy Ok's this it's time to just call everything OPEN division and scrap the appendices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Yep. ^^^ Just have Open major and Open minor, the end. Oh man would that cause a tizzy..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowashooter Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 Yep. ^^^ Just have Open major and Open minor, the end. Oh man would that cause a tizzy.....Haha I just assumed it was a no go then I got to reading the rules and it was kind of a grey area so I figured I better ask.Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Will the gun fit in the box with it attached? In other words does it make the gun wider than the box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Will the gun fit in the box with it attached? In other words does it make the gun wider than the box?What box? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikerburgess Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Send Troy McManus (DNROI) email dnroi@uspsa.org That said is the slide racker striker plate sold and labeled as a firing pin stop? If not I would highly doubt it's ok Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk http://shop.springerprecision.com/product.sc?productId=257&categoryId=25Thus is the part in question yes it is a solid one piece replacement. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk So they call it a "EZ slide racker" seems like a stretch to claim is a firing pin stop when the manufacturer doesn't even label it as one. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefish Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Send Troy McManus (DNROI) email dnroi@uspsa.org That said is the slide racker striker plate sold and labeled as a firing pin stop? If not I would highly doubt it's ok Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk http://shop.springerprecision.com/product.sc?productId=257&categoryId=25Thus is the part in question yes it is a solid one piece replacement. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk So they call it a "EZ slide racker" seems like a stretch to claim is a firing pin stop when the manufacturer doesn't even label it as one.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk Just to add fuel to the fire, Springer's EZ slide racker does function in place of the OEM firing pin retaining plate, no matter what Springer calls it. It will be interesting to see what Troy has to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowashooter Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) Send Troy McManus (DNROI) email dnroi@uspsa.org That said is the slide racker striker plate sold and labeled as a firing pin stop? If not I would highly doubt it's ok Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk http://shop.springerprecision.com/product.sc?productId=257&categoryId=25Thus is the part in question yes it is a solid one piece replacement. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk So they call it a "EZ slide racker" seems like a stretch to claim is a firing pin stop when the manufacturer doesn't even label it as one.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk Just to add fuel to the fire, Springer's EZ slide racker does function in place of the OEM firing pin retaining plate, no matter what Springer calls it. It will be interesting to see what Troy has to say.My thought exactly. It's not going to make or break a match, but I use it in 3 gun and I figured if it's legal in carry optics might as well use that to rack the slide as opposed to my optic.Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Edited July 20, 2016 by Iowashooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 If Troy Ok's this it's time to just call everything OPEN division and scrap the appendices Pretty much this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraj Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I read the rules as no way is that allowed, but it doesnt hurt to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightops Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 If legal, then all 5 CO shooters will have to get slide racker striker plates, or rear sights with a finger hook to be competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 If legal, then all 5 CO shooters will have to get slide racker striker plates, or rear sights with a finger hook to be competitive.Bwahaha!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric4069 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) Not legal in CO as far as I am concerned. Not that my opinion matters unless I am the RO. Eric Edited July 20, 2016 by eric4069 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 If legal, then all 5 CO shooters will have to get slide racker striker plates, or rear sights with a finger hook to be competitive. I'm going to run Carry Optics next time out so there will be 6 of us now. Put the dot back on one of the Glock 17s, but use a removeable slide racker, hah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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