Thaunk Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I shot 3 gun on Saturday and something odd happened with my pistol on one of the stages. I was shooting a texas star and some other steel and when I had the pistol lined up straight I wouldn't hit my target. When I had the front sight all the way to the right suddenly I'd hit. Could that have been a bad grip, something else, or should I look for a fault in the pistol? I shot it fine in practice prior to the match so I don't think it'd be an equipment issue, but I've got a lot to learn yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dis-1-Shooter Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Sounds like you are jerking the trigger and/or pushing the gun to the left with your trigger finger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbu Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I have the same problem ...trigger control goes to heck under pressure. Working on it with dry fire and it's getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjdaniel78 Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 I would say jerking the trigger, but not loose or bad grip. A poor grip and trigger jerk leads to low and left (for a right handed shooter). If I start jerking the trigger hard with a good grip I tend to go left, but the horizontal location of my hits never changes. I shoot a Limited Pro, which has an adjustable rear sight. I zeroed the sights using slow deliberate bench testing, then I moved the sight two clicks to the right to keep it centered at speed. The more I dry fire and shoot the less it is needed and frankly I could probably take my "cheat" out and never know notice the difference inside of 15 yards. I suggest the white wall drill. Dry fire at a plain white surface with no actual target. The goal is zero sight movement. When you think you've got it, pull the trigger quicker. You'll learn a quite a bit about your trigger press and your grip. Do that for 5 minutes every day for a week and you'll notice improvement at the range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaunk Posted July 14, 2016 Author Share Posted July 14, 2016 I'll try that this weekend. Won't be home until Friday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlockGuy1 Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 I agree with CJDaniel, try the white wall drill with your goal being to run your trigger hard and fast with minimal sight disruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC27 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Like people have stated, most likely jerking the trigger. However. Finger placement could also be an issue that magnifies your trigger jerking. For me, I find that I have better trigger pull with my finger placed a bit closer to the tip rather than right in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjdaniel78 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) BC27 has a point. On a 1911 I use the pad of my finger. On my Lim Pro and CZ's, with their DA first shot and curved trigger, I use the first distal joint. With a Glock, I throw the gun down the range because I don't shoot them well at speed no matter what I try. Edited July 22, 2016 by cjdaniel78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC27 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 ^ Yup. Because everyone had different size hands and finger length and all firearms have different grip to trigger lengths (can you call that length of pull for a pistol?). Anyway, combine all that and you typically don't have an ideal fit in many cased so you sometimes have to adjust your finger placement on the trigger to compensate from one pistol to another. That's what I do anyway. This may not be the OP's problem but it is something to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Dry fire your pistol at a spot maybe 20' away and pay attention to how the sights move. I see mine move left, sometimes right anticipating the recoil and sound. Where your finger is on the trigger plays a part so play with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mitch Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 http://www.workonyourgrip.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nugget Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 http://www.workonyourgrip.com/ I've heard this has audio also but I can never get it to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
target4fun Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 On 7/11/2016 at 10:45 AM, Dis-1-Shooter said: Sounds like you are jerking the trigger and/or pushing the gun to the left with your trigger finger. If you are a right handed shooter this applies: Typically when folks flinch they shoot (low and left) not always but most of the time. That being said when you aimed right it compensated for the flinch. If you have a super heavy trigger pull this can exacerbate the issue, with that said light triggers dont completely solve the issue of flinching the triggers as I have seen several folks with 5k sti match guns with 1.5 lb trigger flinch over and over on a plate rack at 15 yards. So look up a ball and dummy drill to help get you out of this. Having taught for over 10 years and several thousand shooters Id say this is the problem 98% of the time. Its unconscious and something we don't realize were doing so when it does happen often people look to factors that we are aware of. Grip is a big deal but Id focus on flinching drills very heavy as its super important and the most common issue, equipment cant replace training on this. Typically when I do NRA instructor training about 20-40% of the class fails the shooting qualification due to flinching. I have found this in many folks so don't feel bad about it, with some training I have got them to pass. But some of the folks that have failed are swat cops, military firearms instructors I don't say this to ridicule them in any way as there are many folks that don't pass but merely using them but as an example of how common it is and its a natural reaction our brain has to loud noises. Another thing that will help is to always use double ear protection, as its usually the noise that bothers folks not the recoil, but being on a timer doesnt help. Hope you get something out of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alucardus Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Definitely sounds like a trigger jerk. There are drills you can do to help off the range but nothing is going to be as good as live fire under the clock. With time grip and trigger control become second nature and you wont even half to think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DASR4 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 My problem is that when i start missing i realize that i am going to fast and i need to slow down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towely Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 (edited) https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dli0rGtXh23I&ved=0ahUKEwi38tSEiu7PAhVmqFQKHTN_B-wQtwIIGTAA&usg=AFQjCNEqqJhhuujb0XfRZPztJJDVYGG5Nw&sig2=92IDZ1grr32D8YrqIeWvBw Edited October 22, 2016 by Towely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacobThomas Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 When you dryfire, you should be able to pull the trigger without disturbing the sight picture at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacobThomas Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 When my grip gets sloppy, I start pulling shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joerenew Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 It sounds like you may be reseting your grip after each shot or slapping the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g.willikers Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Quote Definitely sounds like a trigger jerk Hey, watch the personal insults. But seriously, loosening the support hand grip just as the trigger is being pulled can also be to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sti38super Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Like Rob says, It is OK to JERK the trigger if you don't move the pistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlspeed Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Most likely it's you not realizing you're doing it, but I would have someone else blast with the gun to see if the issue continues. If so just have sights checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikieM Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) On 12/4/2016 at 5:54 PM, joerenew said: It sounds like you may be reseting your grip after each shot or slapping the trigger. I tend to agree with this. Relax your right hand (if you are right-handed) a bit, and see what happens during dry-fire. Also, I believe that realism is important during practice. Have someone stand behind you, closely watching your trigger finger. When you pull the trigger have the yell bang, as loud as they can. Edited December 13, 2016 by MikieM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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