p7fl Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I am clearly missing something. Why does USPSA / NROI require annual re-testing. Not a big deal, yet, annoying. I got my 3 year renewal in the mail and noticed that my CRO was expiring in a week. So I spent the time, filled it out and gained nothing. Agreed re-testing is valid, but How Often? Not sure what year I took the RO class, but the CRO was in 2002 and the rules simply have not changed much. There is now Single Stack, Production etc but the concepts have not changed, certainly nothing changes quickly. How about re-testing on new posts by Troy or something relevant? The exam could have been CO, or Steel Challenge. But every year for almost 20 years is just a waste of everyone’s time. There are a dozen guys at every local match who know the rules So, what am I missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreed911 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 It lets them know who's still active. If you don't re-test, you've "let it go," so it gives them a good count every year of who's new, who's renewing, and who's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermobollocks Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I can't even count how many certified ROs... - Still tell people to "load and make ready" - Don't know how to clear a revolver shooter - Think foot faults are always per-shot procedurals It's a perishable skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I can't even count how many certified ROs... - Still tell people to "load and make ready" - Don't know how to clear a revolver shooter - Think foot faults are always per-shot procedurals It's a perishable skill. If 2 feet are outside the shooting area it is a Per Shot Fired Procedural, if one foot out and significant advantage it is a per shot fired. I have heard many CRO's give the following commands Load and Make Ready Shooter are you ready At the ULSC, slide, trigger, Holster Range is safe Not know how to score an angular hit on a target and call a mike as a double. Not understand that a disappearing target has to be activated or its an FTSA and the Mikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rishii Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 The way I look at it, it forces me to read the rule book once a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziebart Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 It is a good idea, and could probably be more in depth or more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3324temp Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 The yearly refresh is rather easy and seems beneficial to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I'm not a CRO, just an RO, so I don't know if its any different, but the online renewal test takes less than 10 minutes to complete once a year. Not that hard of a commitment or waste of that much time to show HQ "Yes, I'm still invested in the sport and want to keep my RO/CRO status". And yes, despite the rules not changing all that much, I still hear all sorts of wrong things at the range. A little refresher once a year is a good thing in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreed911 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 The way I look at it, it forces me to read the rule book once a year Speaking of, where can I buy a copy? They're not available on the USPSA site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishsticks Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Pdf copy here http://www.uspsa.org/document_library/rules/2014/Feb%202014%20Handgun%20Rules.pdf Save it to your phone and it's always available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreed911 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Pdf copy here http://www.uspsa.org/document_library/rules/2014/Feb%202014%20Handgun%20Rules.pdf Save it to your phone and it's always available. Yep, have that, thanks. I'm just a print kind of guy for some things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trgt Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) The way I look at it, it forces me to read the rule book once a year Speaking of, where can I buy a copy? They're not available on the USPSA site. Handbook and overlays you can purchase: http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-store-home.php .... but maybe need to call them, yes online store says out of stock, but it says they are selling them. Edited June 23, 2016 by trgt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 The way I look at it, it forces me to read the rule book once a year Speaking of, where can I buy a copy? They're not available on the USPSA site. Take the class and they will give you one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreed911 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 The way I look at it, it forces me to read the rule book once a year Speaking of, where can I buy a copy? They're not available on the USPSA site. Take the class and they will give you one. Scheduled for Aug 27/28. Getting my NRA Basic RO course this weekend (for a part-time gig at an indoor range - been shooting a long time, never bothered with any RO certs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Jones Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 If 2 feet are out of the shooting area it is a per Shot Fired Procedural Hmmm..... Rule # please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 The way I look at it, it forces me to read the rule book once a yearC'mon ray...10 mins of word searches is good for ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 If 2 feet are out of the shooting area it is a per Shot Fired Procedural Hmmm..... Rule # please. Ok, I'll play -- and likely receive an education...... 10.2.1 comes to mind -- that's not all it says, but the last sentence does indicate that shots fired after leaving a shooting area and before popping at least one foot down in a new shooting area are penalized with one per.... So -- what's the definition of leaving a shooting area? If you step completely out and are shooting on the move to somewhere else, that seems like it would be easy to call.... If you step completely over the side fault lines have you left the shooting area? If you stay there and have an easier view of a target array behind a vision barrier I might still call for 1 per shot fired. Can you come back in and stop the penalty count -- r do you need to proceed to a new area to make that happen? I'd argue if you're kneeling or prone, and foot faulting to the side or rear, even with both feet you don't meet the definition of leaving...... Wouldn't we be better off if that last sentence stood on its own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) The way I look at it, it forces me to read the rule book once a yearAmenSpeaking of, where can I buy a copy? They're not available on the USPSA site. If you don't come up with a solution PM me your info. I have a new one I'll give you Edited June 24, 2016 by Sarge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 If 2 feet are out of the shooting area it is a per Shot Fired Procedural Hmmm..... Rule # please. From the USPSA website, new rules section. 10.2.1 A competitor who fires shots while any part of their body is touching the ground or while stepping on an object beyond a Shooting Box or a Fault Line, or who gains support or stability through contact with an object which is wholly beyond and not attached to a Shooting Box or Fault Line, will receive one procedural penalty for each occurrence. Shots fired after completely (both feet out and touching the ground) leaving a shooting area will be penalized one penalty per shot until the competitor establishes a presence in a new shooting area by placing at least one foot on the ground inside the shooting area. However, if the competitor has gained a significant advantage on any target(s) while faulting, the competitor may instead be assessed one procedural penalty for each shot fired at the subject target(s) while faulting. No penalty is assessed if a competitor does not fire any shots while faulting, providing doing so does not violate 2.2.1.5 or 3.2.6. 10.2.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mitch Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Annual testing is a global best practice. It's the best for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkreutz Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) After reading this thread, and then reading it the second time, my reaction is this. Edited June 24, 2016 by Bkreutz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Consider yourself fortunate - to maintain my IROA certification I have to travel to Canada to work a Level III match every year (USPSA matches don't count). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 The rules have changed a fair amount since the pre-2014 rulebook, I'm certain there are changes since the 2002 rulebook that would be important to know. Honestly I think the re-test is too easy. I have determined this based on the amount of incorrect RO-ing I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 The rules have changed a fair amount since the pre-2014 rulebook, I'm certain there are changes since the 2002 rulebook that would be important to know. Honestly I think the re-test is too easy. I have determined this based on the amount of incorrect RO-ing I see. 10 questions is pretty easy, should be 50 or 100, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) I personally advocated for CRO's to be able to train and certify new RO's. Possibly having a CRO-I designation? This way we could have hands on recerts annually and we could train and certify new RO's locally as needed without paying so much to set up classes and fly in instructors etc. Take a guess at how this was received. lol A good CRO with some instructor add on training should easily be able to train/recert new RO's in my opinion Edited June 25, 2016 by Sarge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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