blaster113 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Anyone else try P.C.C. and realize its a bit harder than it looks? We just ran our first local match with pistol caliber carbines in the mix. My stage times were better with my Limited STI shooting L10 vs. my Aimpoint equipped 9mm AR. Movement and target acquisition was a little trickier with the carbine vs. handgun. Maybe P.C.C. will be more fun if Hawaii allowed SBR's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgj3 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Ummm... You must not be doing it right is all I can figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowdy1111 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Going to be trying it at this weeks match for the first time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickBlasta Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Just a gun familiarity issue. You have a lot more time on the Limited gun, I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Also a learning curve on a dot from irons. Even in pistol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaster113 Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 Has everyone's stage times dropped when running a P.C.C.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm300 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Some extra attention to gun handling skills is in order. Guy showed up shooting PCC at a local. I was interested to see him run it. On his second stage he was handing his case to someone and went over the top of his gun and I had to DQ him. Sucked for him, sucked for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Has everyone's stage times dropped when running a P.C.C.? I would say that on stages with steel, targets past 15 yards and when I get to skip positions, the PCC is faster. On speed shoots, stages with required reloads and open targets inside 15 yards, the pistol is faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrswanson1 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) Edited June 21, 2016 by jrswanson1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davsco Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 the tighter shots are harder with pcc. easier to lean around a barricade with a pistol, including possibility to one-hand it, than with a long gun. and yes i def need reloading practice, can reload way faster with a handgun currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightops Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 That's been my position all along. You don't challenge PCC shooters by giving them long shots that the platform is inherently good at. You challenge them by giving them tight shots and walls and ports to maneuver around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trgt Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Folks who are used to shooting Open/CO pistols or red dot on rifle for 3GUN seems to rip it from the get-go in our area for PCC. And like Open vs Limited, which platform has an advantage (pistol or PCC) depends on the stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 the tighter shots are harder with pcc. easier to lean around a barricade with a pistol, including possibility to one-hand it, than with a long gun. and yes i def need reloading practice, can reload way faster with a handgun currently. I would contend that all shots are easier with a PCC. The transition and reload speed is where the pistol beats the PCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMedic Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 If you have some 3gun/CQB rifle experience then the transition to PCC is very fluid. When I shot PCC at the beginning of the month I compared my results with a open shooter of the same level. Honesty except for one stage, our times were pretty similar. We had a few stages that had long shots +25 yards, and surprisingly that was the stages he would beat me on due to points. Needing to slow down to aim at further targets for PCC minor gets negated by open shooters who can get Major scoring points. The one stage that I absolutely won with no contention was where I could engage almost all targets moving left to right on a stage, being able to keep 3 points of contact on the PCC gun allows more of a predictable bounce in your dot, making easier to predict your shots on the move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMedic Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 This was from my local match earlier this month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaster113 Posted June 22, 2016 Author Share Posted June 22, 2016 I have close quarter experience from a stint on my employer's unit which specialized in such things. But, that was many moons ago and now the bulk of my trigger time is with an STI Limited gun. This last match was full of super tight positions where the length of the carbine was a hindrance. And I was the M.D. who designed the stages . The only stage that I tore ass on was a simple speed shoot with 4 paper targets and 8 poppers. You guys are right. Stage layout will dictate which platform has the advantage with handgun vs. carbine. Considering the stages of all the majors and local matches I've been to, I'm not sure a P.C.C. has that much more of an overall advantage over an Open/Limited gun. Maybe if I had more trigger time with a dot it would be different. Advantage: rifle: long or tight shots pistol: close targets/tight quarters/mandatory reloads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaster113 Posted June 22, 2016 Author Share Posted June 22, 2016 This was from my local match earlier this month Wow, that short barrel looks super easy to handle. SIG MPX? Me likey. I used to love the MP5 during entries because it was so easy to handle. The damn M4's would get caught on everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangerdug Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Has everyone's stage times dropped when running a P.C.C.?I would say that on stages with steel, targets past 15 yards and when I get to skip positions, the PCC is faster. On speed shoots, stages with required reloads and open targets inside 15 yards, the pistol is faster.I lived this statement the last match... Was first in all stages where I had some advantage of shooting stationary; however, the classifiers that required two reloads... 12th!!! It doesn't help being left-handed. I also had a stage where I got drawn in too close to a port and had to burn time getting to a position where I could shoot. All in all what a blast. Absolutely loved it!!!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 I'll have to get down to a Pueblo match and squad with you and Curtis. I think there are going to be some cool things to be done with PCC and I really like it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrswanson1 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 the tighter shots are harder with pcc. easier to lean around a barricade with a pistol, including possibility to one-hand it, than with a long gun. and yes i def need reloading practice, can reload way faster with a handgun currently. I would contend that all shots are easier with a PCC. The transition and reload speed is where the pistol beats the PCC. I had no issue with reloads using a Sub2k. It was exactly like reloading a pistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 the tighter shots are harder with pcc. easier to lean around a barricade with a pistol, including possibility to one-hand it, than with a long gun. and yes i def need reloading practice, can reload way faster with a handgun currently. I would contend that all shots are easier with a PCC. The transition and reload speed is where the pistol beats the PCC. I had no issue with reloads using a Sub2k. It was exactly like reloading a pistol. I was using a Sub2000. In drills, at least a half a second faster with a pistol per reload. If you have some great technique, can you show us a video doing pistol and Sub2000 reloads. Can always learn new techniques. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrswanson1 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 the tighter shots are harder with pcc. easier to lean around a barricade with a pistol, including possibility to one-hand it, than with a long gun. and yes i def need reloading practice, can reload way faster with a handgun currently. I would contend that all shots are easier with a PCC. The transition and reload speed is where the pistol beats the PCC. I had no issue with reloads using a Sub2k. It was exactly like reloading a pistol. I was using a Sub2000. In drills, at least a half a second faster with a pistol per reload. If you have some great technique, can you show us a video doing pistol and Sub2000 reloads. Can always learn new techniques. I'd love to, but it's long gone. Unemployment sucks. If you loan me yours, I'll show you how it's done, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 (edited) Skip about half way in to see some shooting rather than a old guy talking. Pistol vs PCC The spits on the one pair of plates at 15 yards, I don't think can be done as easily as it can be with the PCC The splits on the US popper yea. The rat a tat on the 35 yards B C Zome MGM Steel? You tell me if you could with your comp gun. Edited June 22, 2016 by P.E. Kelley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 The learning curve is steep for pistol shooters with no long-gun experience. We are seeing a lot of very experienced handgunners crawling clumsily through stages with their PCC that they would burn down with their pistol. I am sure this will just be temporary... once they get the hang of it, they should see a marked improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 The learning curve is steep for pistol shooters with no long-gun experience. We are seeing a lot of very experienced handgunners crawling clumsily through stages with their PCC that they would burn down with their pistol. I am sure this will just be temporary... once they get the hang of it, they should see a marked improvement. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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