BeerBaron Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 yes, you just have to put down the brief case to reload then pick it up again to resume shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rub'n Posted April 29, 2016 Author Share Posted April 29, 2016 That's what I was thinking. I can see a few tricks to be added to make it more challenging. I like run and gun, the hidden target, star, polish plate rack but something different alway appeals to me. I'm seeing a rope, a briefcase and a backpack coming into play very soon. Solving the stage can in fact be the challenge. Doing it accurately and quickly the reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Standard Exercises and Classifiers may specify shooting with the strong hand or weak hand unsupported. The specified hand must be used exclusively from the point stipulated for the remainder of the string or stage Wouldn't you say that "for the remainder" would indicate that it was meant to start during the COF rather than immediately after the draw? We have classifiers that specify firing weak hand only from the draw -- so that's legit. On the other hand, you need to follow all the other rules for standards and/or classifiers..... But the OP said 20 shots WHO, one string... You seemed to imply there was a requirement all stages/strings to allow freestyle before requiring strong or weak hand -- that's the point I was responding to....... There was nothing about the OP or 20 rounds in what you wrote..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Z Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 How about you scan the stage into the post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rub'n Posted April 29, 2016 Author Share Posted April 29, 2016 It was just our local club match. We setup morning of. Only Verbal description during walk thru was given. I do need to find a course design program. would help in posting and asking questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Stages that are excessively prop driven and/or designed with one person in mind often do raise the ire of other shooters. Solving the stage is always a challenge, there is no need to make it inordinately gimmicky. Moderation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatJones Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 It was just our local club match. We setup morning of. Only Verbal description during walk thru was given. I do need to find a course design program. would help in posting and asking questions. 3.2.1A written stage briefing approved by the Range Master must be posted at each course of fire prior to commencement of the match. This briefing will take precedence over any course of fire information published or otherwise communicated to competitors in advance of the match, and it must provide the following minimum information: — Scoring Method: — Targets (type & number): — Minimum number of rounds: — The handgun ready condition: — Start position: — Time starts: audible or visual signal: — Procedure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rub'n Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 Great rule....if you've got the match stages pre-designed. The only one that's on paper at ours is the Classifier It takes manpower to make things happen. We're short on workers. ---- The stage wasn't designed any differently for me than any other person. As for the use of props. I've shot many matches with a multitude of them. I can tell you the most challenging stage I've ever shot had several. I'm glad! To this day I still talk about it. El Presidente isn't for all of us ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatJones Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Great rule....if you've got the match stages pre-designed. The only one that's on paper at ours is the Classifier It takes manpower to make things happen. We're short on workers. ---- The stage wasn't designed any differently for me than any other person. As for the use of props. I've shot many matches with a multitude of them. I can tell you the most challenging stage I've ever shot had several. I'm glad! To this day I still talk about it. El Presidente isn't for all of us The stage description doesn't require a fancy picture, you just need to hand write everything required by the rules and staple it to a wall.- Comstock or Virginia count - Number of targets, paper & steel - Minimum number of rounds - The handgun ready condition - Start position - Time starts: audible or visual signal - stage procedure Takes 2 minutes. If it takes longer, your stage procedure is likely relying on a gimmick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatJones Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Example: 24 rounds, Comstock 11 classic targets, 2 pepper poppers. Best 2 per paper, steel must fall to score. Time starts at audible beep, ends at last shot. Handgun is loaded and holstered. Start position standing behind rear fault line, wrists above shoulders. Engage targets as they become visible from within the shooting area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rub'n Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 I'll pass along the information to our match director. He checks out every stage and makes changes as necessary during walk through. Come shoot with us....I think you'll have an enjoyable time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Are you going to have WSBs or are you outlaw? Many of us would probably feel more comfortable there if we knew you were following a rule book, for both safety and fairness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rub'n Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 If I wasn't concerned about the rules I would've never asked about the stage. I had 3 brand new RO's that couldn't say 100% as to it legality. Along with several old ones. We run the range Cold and by the rule book. It seems you're taking this way beyond the original question. I'm now sorry I asked. Thanks to the ones that did help by posting the rules that applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 I'm now sorry I asked. I hope that's really not the case. You're getting input from some very experienced USPSA shooters who shoot at different clubs across the country providing their varied experiences instead of just what you're seeing at your one local club. I don't know why you'd want to dismiss that. It seems you want to force everyone to shoot your stages a certain way as if the freestyle aspect of our sport is getting in the way of your stage design. While there may be a way for you to do this within the rules, in my opinion if you take it too far with overly complicated scenarios and gimmicks it goes against the spirit of freestyle - which isn't just a rule in the rule book, but a general principle of our sport. We like being presented with a challenge and figuring out the best way to solve it ourselves, not being told how we have to shoot a stage...if we wanted that we'd shoot IDPA. I think if you ask a number of shooters what type of stages they like best most will say ones where there are multiple options for how to approach the stage and not everyone shoots it the same way. Using props some of the time is fine, but usually it's just something like "briefcase must be in barrel before last shot is fired" not "briefcase must be held in strong hand for entire course of fire". The difference is the former gives the shooter options for ways to solve the problem while the latter does not. If you want to test weak hand shooting I usually see that done in classifiers and standards, not an entire 20+ round field course. And if I went to a match at a new club and they didn't have written stage briefings I probably wouldn't want to shoot at that club again because 1) it's really annoying not having WSBs and 2) it makes you wonder where else they're not following the rule book. You could easily make a template with the requirements for a WSB with blanks to hand write them in, print them out for each match and leave at each stage for the stage builders to write in after the stage is built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppa Bear Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) Forgot the attachment Edited May 1, 2016 by Poppa Bear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppa Bear Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Use this as a template COMSTOCK.DOC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rub'n Posted May 1, 2016 Author Share Posted May 1, 2016 Use this as a template COMSTOCK.DOC Thanks for the template. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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