Jim Norman Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 But I'm talking about paying a 21-25yo girl to do all my taping and resetting. Red Massages between stages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 When I'm the on deck shooter, I don't like having to wait on people picking up brass or dodge them as I'm trying to do my pre-run walk through. You shouldn't be doing a "pre-run walk through." Your time to inspect the stage is before anyone shoots it and after the WSB is read to you. Why should you get two "walk throughs" when the guy who shoots first only gets one? If the RO is allowing you to do extra "walk throughs," he is wrong. If you did this at a major match and I was the RO, I would be issuing you a procedural. I would gladly pay $20 at a major match to not have to patch or reset steel. It is exhausting to walk all over the stages all day. It'd be so much easier and more efficient to pay some teenagers to do it. At a recent bigger local match, we did this on a donation basis and I was happy to put 10 bucks in their bucket for a 4 stage match. It was so much more fun just shooting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 (edited) When I'm the on deck shooter, I don't like having to wait on people picking up brass or dodge them as I'm trying to do my pre-run walk through. You shouldn't be doing a "pre-run walk through." Your time to inspect the stage is before anyone shoots it and after the WSB is read to you. Why should you get two "walk throughs" when the guy who shoots first only gets one? If the RO is allowing you to do extra "walk throughs," he is wrong. If you did this at a major match and I was the RO, I would be issuing you a procedural. This isn't IDPA or IPSC dude. No, you wouldn't be issuing me a procedural.Maybe you should get out and shoot more majors to see how many people would be getting procedurals using your logic. Edited January 10, 2016 by d_striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 When I'm the on deck shooter, I don't like having to wait on people picking up brass or dodge them as I'm trying to do my pre-run walk through. You shouldn't be doing a "pre-run walk through." Your time to inspect the stage is before anyone shoots it and after the WSB is read to you. Why should you get two "walk throughs" when the guy who shoots first only gets one? If the RO is allowing you to do extra "walk throughs," he is wrong. If you did this at a major match and I was the RO, I would be issuing you a procedural. I would gladly pay $20 at a major match to not have to patch or reset steel. It is exhausting to walk all over the stages all day. It'd be so much easier and more efficient to pay some teenagers to do it. At a recent bigger local match, we did this on a donation basis and I was happy to put 10 bucks in their bucket for a 4 stage match. It was so much more fun just shooting! A procedural for what exactly, Tim? And do you really think you'd find a major match RM to uphold that? That's why squad's have a shooting order -- so everyone needs to go first at some point.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 When I'm the on deck shooter, I don't like having to wait on people picking up brass or dodge them as I'm trying to do my pre-run walk through. You shouldn't be doing a "pre-run walk through." Your time to inspect the stage is before anyone shoots it and after the WSB is read to you. Why should you get two "walk throughs" when the guy who shoots first only gets one? If the RO is allowing you to do extra "walk throughs," he is wrong. If you did this at a major match and I was the RO, I would be issuing you a procedural. I would gladly pay $20 at a major match to not have to patch or reset steel. It is exhausting to walk all over the stages all day. It'd be so much easier and more efficient to pay some teenagers to do it. At a recent bigger local match, we did this on a donation basis and I was happy to put 10 bucks in their bucket for a 4 stage match. It was so much more fun just shooting! A procedural for what exactly, Tim? And do you really think you'd find a major match RM to uphold that? That's why squad's have a shooting order -- so everyone needs to go first at some point....Uhhhhh.......yep.On deck shooter has the right of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Paul: Do you know how the MD selects people to paste & re-set the stages? Are they teenagers? Do you know if they are compensated? Thanks I can't speak for all clubs that host the SC match but at Palmetto Gun Club (2015/2016 host) we use volunteers. Our club requires members to earn work day credit and the match directors use club members to help paste and reset. I run the SC State Steel Challenge match and that's what I did last year and will do again this year. Compensation is lunch and work day credit for those that need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul788 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Most of the previous SC Sectionals were at MCRC. Run by Linda Chico and a variety of MDs. Contact her or Jack Suber for direct questions on how they select workers. I have been a RO/CRO at this match since 2003. Most of those years I worked with the same 4 or 5 people and we developed habits that got the job done quickly and with no issues. The WSB is read, then I state that I have enough help to do scoring and pasting and that the shooters will not go downrange. We usually get applause at that point. If possible the scorekeeper/Nook holder starts scoring targets as the shooter advances thru the stage. If we are doing this I state so upfront and ask that the shooter designate someone to follow the scorekeeper to check for the shooter. Unless there is a question about a target it gets pasted right after the scorekeeper calls it and moves on. We divide up the stage in sections with a specific worker responsible for pasting that part. At "ULSC" scoring stops and the time is entered. I start calling targets to the scorekeeper. When scoring is complete the scorekeeper heads uprange and gets the paper copy done and the rest of us finish pasting. While scoring is going on the next shooter is the only one allowed in the shooting area. As soon as the last worker goes past me I can call "Make ready". I spend enough time waiting at matches and don't enjoy it so I try to minimize the wait for the other shooters at the L2 and L3 matches that I work. Not allowing shooters downrange means no reshoots due to targets pasted before scoring, or no shoots getting covered up by a buddy, or REM because someone did not reset a mover the right way. RM/MDs love stages with no problems. Most shooters enjoy the sit and watch and talk time. Just my experiences, YMMV Paul Beck A49023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctay Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 We had JROTC at the High Desert Classic this year (working for donations) and it was a bit of a mixed bag. Some of the kids were real go getters - always picking brass and doing some resetting. Some others not so much. Day two had about 1/4 of the kids no show. Competitors were great and I think we raised over $2400 for their JROTC. Really was cool to see everyone pitch in so much! For me, I don't think it is worth raising prices to get them out unless you for sure have a crack squad that is going to really make life easy for competitors. Working for tips is a little different though I think. I also know a few of the kids got really interested in shooting USPSA after watching it for two days. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Most of the previous SC Sectionals were at MCRC. Run by Linda Chico and a variety of MDs. Contact her or Jack Suber for direct questions on how they select workers. I have been a RO/CRO at this match since 2003. Most of those years I worked with the same 4 or 5 people and we developed habits that got the job done quickly and with no issues. The WSB is read, then I state that I have enough help to do scoring and pasting and that the shooters will not go downrange. We usually get applause at that point. If possible the scorekeeper/Nook holder starts scoring targets as the shooter advances thru the stage. If we are doing this I state so upfront and ask that the shooter designate someone to follow the scorekeeper to check for the shooter. Unless there is a question about a target it gets pasted right after the scorekeeper calls it and moves on. We divide up the stage in sections with a specific worker responsible for pasting that part. At "ULSC" scoring stops and the time is entered. I start calling targets to the scorekeeper. When scoring is complete the scorekeeper heads uprange and gets the paper copy done and the rest of us finish pasting. While scoring is going on the next shooter is the only one allowed in the shooting area. As soon as the last worker goes past me I can call "Make ready". I spend enough time waiting at matches and don't enjoy it so I try to minimize the wait for the other shooters at the L2 and L3 matches that I work. Not allowing shooters downrange means no reshoots due to targets pasted before scoring, or no shoots getting covered up by a buddy, or REM because someone did not reset a mover the right way. RM/MDs love stages with no problems. Most shooters enjoy the sit and watch and talk time. Just my experiences, YMMV Paul Beck A49023 That sounds awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DagoRed Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 But I'm talking about paying a 21-25yo girl to do all my taping and resetting. Red Massages between stages? Of course. I have a bad back after all Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I don't mind pasting paper targets or standing up simple stuff like Poppers and plates, but I'd really rather not have to tinker with mechanicals. Get a grenade pin in a little too far and the gadget doesn't trip and its a do-over. I'll let somebody familiar with the machinery handle that. I shot BPCR Metallic Silhouette at a club where target setters were hired, now can only get on a range where shooters have to set their own. The ram weighs 46 lbs. My interest and participation are way down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Like nails on a chalkboard So you think it is important who picks up the brass? I could care less about someone picking up brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Let the shooter that just shot the stage walk his targets but get the 2 shooters before him to past and set steel. Do that for two shooter. After the shooter pastes and sets the 2nd time on the stage they are DONE for that stage. You only past twice a stage. If it was only this easy. I got sick of being one three or four shooters pasting at the Florida Open, so I stopped until the other lazy shooters started, then after a few shooters the same four shooters are pasting again. That's the most I can complain about, other than the way I shot.. Lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 But doesn't the Fl Open get a ton of foreign shooters who don't usually paste at their matches? Not excusing their behavior ... Something the MD should be doing but I'm always surprised when I hear about pasting issue at a major .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris iliff Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 But doesn't the Fl Open get a ton of foreign shooters who don't usually paste at their matches? Not excusing their behavior ... Something the MD should be doing but I'm always surprised when I hear about pasting issue at a major .... I've had the privilege to work the FOP and those competitors know to paste when they are at this match. Yes, maybe AT home they don't, but At the FOP they do. That was my experience as an RO at the FOP anyway. VERY GOOD MATCH BY THE WAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 In my side of the pond we dont paste and brass. If you make the shooters do the works, your next match is doomed in terms of attendance. The SOP is, the organizers hire people to do it but the match fee stays the same. By d way its IPSC over here. Although USPSA is now being introduced here I doubt if we will follow your match upkeeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I remember when I was in Korea, and we went to qualify, they had a Korean Army person - probably a private - sitting in a chair next to each target to do the scoring. Might be a little difficult to find volunteers for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
familyosmall Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Georgia state match has staff do all resetting and pasting. Small squads and you shoot 10 stages in half a day. Really great match to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynes_world_45 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 GA State Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj36d Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 How about a stable of volunteer caddies...I know plenty of young shooters that would be excited to do it at a major where they get to meet some of the pros. You can reserve one in advance and they drag your bag, tape and bring you water for tips! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiII Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 I'd be willing to pay $15-20 more for that perk at level 2 and 3 matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidb72 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Sounds like Iron Sights Nationals at St. George, Utah is going to give this a try this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, davidb72 said: Sounds like Iron Sights Nationals at St. George, Utah is going to give this a try this year. Sort of. You will not reset while you are shooting but you will reset during an "off" period... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidb72 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, ChuckS said: Sort of. You will not reset while you are shooting but you will reset during an "off" period... Good point. I think it's an interesting idea. How do you feel about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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