Solvability Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) Shooter is up and the RO calls Load and Make Ready - the shooter loads up and holsters his gun - back at the peanut gallery someone knocks his range bag to the ground and his backup gun hits the deck - it is his gun and it is during his run so does he get a DQ - what does the rule book say about this? I think the rule is explicit and there is no option. Edited August 17, 2015 by Solvability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveU Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) No First of all that makes no sense but if you want to do it by the book then 5.1.9 says the backup gun is not in use, therefore is not in a course of fire. The correct action is for a range official to retrieve the dropped gun and have the competitor clear it on the safe area. If it is in safe condition then re-bag and move on. I personally would have one RO tell the competitor to ULSC, holster current handgun, and start next shooter while another remediates the dropped gun. Then allow competitor to shoot once backup gun secure. Edited August 17, 2015 by SteveU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) Shooter is up and the RO calls Load and Make Ready - the shooter loads up and holsters his gun - back at the peanut gallery someone knocks his range bag to the ground and his backup gun hits the deck - it is his gun and it is during his run so does he get a DQ - what does the rule book say about this? I think the rule is explicit and there is no option. That would not be a DQ for the shooter as he did not drop or cause the gun to fall. Besides if the RO said LOAD and make ready I would question his RO skills. Actually the more I think about it the guy in the peanut gallery caused it to fall. Edited August 17, 2015 by Sarge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robb315 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Why the heck would the gun just be loose in his range bag anyhow and not in a gun rug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppa Bear Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Why the heck would the gun just be loose in his range bag anyhow and not in a gun rug? I have two rugs built into my bag that are nothing more than open pouches with a velcro strap to keep them closed. I do not use them to hold guns but if my bag is knocked off the table it is possible for their contents to spill out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Where is the "Load and Make Ready" command in the rule book? It's just "Make Ready" This guy claimed to be an RO? There is no DQ for some dumb dumb dumping your gun bag, it was not in action for the course of fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 10.5.14 covers it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Rader Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Yeah, I think he can carry it any way he sees fit in his own range bag. It does not have to be in a gun rug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrydoc Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) Maybe He was shooting IPSC? The range command is "load and make ready" Edited August 28, 2015 by terrydoc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickd1 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Maybe He was shooting IPSC? The range command is "load and make ready" correct sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ming the Merciless Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 The fool in the peanut gallery would be DQ'd as in "Dropped Quickly" if it were my bag, but since I keep my range bag in my cart it would be a lot harder to knock to the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkreutz Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Maybe He was shooting IPSC? The range command is "load and make ready" So IPSC doesn't have unloaded starts? (not trying to be a smartass, just wondering ) I believe that's one of the reasons that USPSA doesn't include the "load and" part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardan01 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Maybe He was shooting IPSC? The range command is "load and make ready" So IPSC doesn't have unloaded starts? (not trying to be a smartass, just wondering ) I believe that's one of the reasons that USPSA doesn't include the "load and" part. The January 2015 IPSC Handgun Comepetition Rules states: 8.3.1 "Load And Make Ready" (or "Make Ready" for starts with an unloaded firearm) – This command signifies the start of "the Course of Fire". Under the direct supervision of the Range Officer the competitor must face downrange, or in a safe direction as specified by the Range Officer, fit eye and ear protection, and prepare the firearm in accordance with the written stage briefing. The competitor must then assume the required start position. At this point, the Range Officer will proceed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkreutz Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrydoc Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 We actually rely on a touch of discretion from our RO's to use common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 We actually rely on a touch of discretion from our RO's to use common sense. We just simplified and standardized on one command...... But then we apparently believe that USPSA competitors will remember to stuff bullets in the gun, when needed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkreutz Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 We actually rely on a touch of discretion from our RO's to use common sense. We just simplified and standardized on one command...... But then we apparently believe that USPSA competitors will remember to stuff bullets in the gun, when needed.... I've seen that not happen more than once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Miles Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 We actually rely on a touch of discretion from our RO's to use common sense. It goes waaay beyond a touch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Miles Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Shooter is up and the RO calls Load and Make Ready - the shooter loads up and holsters his gun - back at the peanut gallery someone knocks his range bag to the ground and his backup gun hits the deck - it is his gun and it is during his run so does he get a DQ - what does the rule book say about this? I think the rule is explicit and there is no option. You have GOT to be putting us on! WAAAY too early for April fools! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppa Bear Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 We actually rely on a touch of discretion from our RO's to use common sense. We just simplified and standardized on one command......But then we apparently believe that USPSA competitors will remember to stuff bullets in the gun, when needed.... Mags were loaded, but you need the gun to stuff them in to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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