FlightMurse Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I am working on addressing my lack of accuracy and started working on the dot drill today. Talk about a humbling experience... I went 36 at 3 yards! I am going to take a break from shooting at steel and focus on this drill and other accuracy drills for a while. I was wondering, how far can you cleanly shoot this drill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogan Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) I've shot it clean at about 3' but the powder burns made scoring difficult! Just kiddin'. I usually attempt it at 7yards. Edited July 26, 2015 by jogan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 ben Stoeger uses this drill in the Fundamentals" class he teaches. He always starts at 5 yds and something less then the 6 shots/circle. Leave the time limit alone at 5 secs. Find a # of rounds that pushes you but is not too easy, say 3 & then once you can go 36/36 on command add shots until you get to 6/5 secs. Once you accomplish that you can move back to the normal 7 yd distance for iron sight shooters. 36/36 on any consistent basis at 7 yds is GM level shooting. This drill is designed to be incredibly difficult .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuey Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I do the dot drill at both 5 and 7 yards. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 This is a Frank Garcia originated drill. I have seen him shoot it clean at 15 yds. That was a few weeks ago. The top, I mean match winning, GMs can probably do it it at 20 and 25. You're talking about putting a minimum of about 1000 rounds down range a day for a year. Need a range and and endless supply of ammo. Look up what Eric has posted about how many rounds he has put down range yearly. Not sure if Rob has posted about this, but that's just work. You have to factor in talent as well. Eric, Rob, some other guys get started early because of family. They also have talent. A guy like Dave Sevigny comes out of the blue and gets real good real fast. but not at the age of 8 or 9, or even 16-17. Taran Butler same thing. They didn't start out of the cradle. They have monster talent. Just to give you some perspective. The point of the drill is to work on the parts you need to work on-trigger pull, sight picture, vision. Great drill. It's good to start a day without a timer and just shoot it clean at 5 yds. Then go to timer. You will use a lot of ammo. Great drill, maybe the best one out there. You can only shoot as fast as you can. Good luck. DVC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlightMurse Posted July 26, 2015 Author Share Posted July 26, 2015 Thank you all for the perspective and encouragement. Although I grew up on a farm shooting .22's all the time I didn't shoot a handgun until high school, and didn't seriously get into it until 25 or so. I took a class with Bob Vogel a couple of years ago which was very helpful. I learned that although I have some speed my accuracy is definitely lacking. I am now averaging 250 rounds a week but it is mainly working on movement, reloads, etc. at steel targets (all the fun stuff) and I need to get back to basics and actually be able to hit what I aim at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I need to get back to basics and hit what I aim at. Exactly. That's why Dot Torture Drill. Start real close and work your way back, at YOUR pace, and Your preferred distance. It's all to improve your shooting skills - not a competition. Good luck with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdub Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 How big are the dots for this drill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansedgli Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Had anyone got a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishsticks Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 http://www.benstoeger.com/index.php/gallery/23-second-category/90-the-dots 2" according to this. There are printable sheets on bens page and on Tactical Performance Center's webpage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 bottom of Krylon paint can. draw circles and paint. 6 across. another target 3 across. 3, 4, 5 down. like on a full size ipsc metric target Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Stoeger's are for dry fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlightMurse Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share Posted July 27, 2015 I tried the drill again tonight and I managed to move from 36 to 42, and I realized half way through that I had forgotten to tape off my glasses which caused one of the drops. Only managed 2 hits on SHO and 1 hit WHO, if you have any tips on how to hold the gun steady one handed I am all ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 ben Stoeger uses this drill in the Fundamentals" class he teaches. He always starts at 5 yds and something less then the 6 shots/circle. Leave the time limit alone at 5 secs. Find a # of rounds that pushes you but is not too easy, say 3 & then once you can go 36/36 on command add shots until you get to 6/5 secs. Once you accomplish that you can move back to the normal 7 yd distance for iron sight shooters. 36/36 on any consistent basis at 7 yds is GM level shooting. This drill is designed to be incredibly difficult .... Is there more than one variation of this? All I've seen is 50 shot version. Is there a 36? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakman Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 There's 2 different dot drills being discussed here. There's "Dot Torture" which is a 50-shot drill starting at 5 yards and working your way back as you improve. http://pistol-training.com/drills/dot-torture Then, there's the Ben Stoeger's "The Dots" drill which is 2 rows of 3 2" dots. The drill there is 6 shots INSIDE the dot in 5 seconds from a draw at 7 yards. http://www.benstoeger.com/index.php/gallery/23-second-category/90-the-dots Dot torture focuses on accuracy with no time pressure (unless you add it yourself) and exercises multiple scenarios. The Stoeger drill is meant to be "to not shoot misses." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 IMHO, the details (size of dot, distance, etc) are NOT important ... It's the concept - small target (2-3") up close (3-12 yards) ... Start out with larger dot and closer range and work it until you want to go further with a smaller target ... Personalize it - great way to learn trigger control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpd Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 A few weeks ago I started doing the dots drill at the beginning and end of every live fire session. I've seen consistent improvements but still haven't gotten 36 out of 36 using the 5 second par time. I shoot this one at 5 yards. This drill is a no BS way for me to see where I'm at on trigger control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 have only shot dot torture, not the other dot drill. to get a 50/50 i have to do it at 5yards or less. i have tried at 7 and 10 and never broke over 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 yes the 'Dot Torture Drill" & Dot Drill are different I like the Dot Drill since it's specifcially designed to work on your trigger control. master trigger control and you move into another realm in the world of USPSA during the last class I took with Ben he did a demo with me gripping the pistol & lining up the sights on a dot while he pulled the trigger as fast as he could. he put 12 rds inside the 2" circle within the 5 secs without breaking a sweat ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I haven't been to the range for a month or two. Did the dot drill today 9 yards. 5 rounds for 7 dots. 31/35-I was happy. Only 2 fliers-more than an inch away. I also did a bill drill--ugh. 2.3 but the happy part was the .2 splits--guess i need more work on my draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantom919 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 At my local indoor range here in California we are not allowed to holster a gun or shoot more than 1 round per second. Could Ben's dot drill work with the same times if I did a loaded gun on table start? I'm not sure how much difference in first shot times these starts yield but the drill would allow me to complete it and not get yelled at for shooting too fast at the range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heyman2 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 At my local indoor range here in California we are not allowed to holster a gun or shoot more than 1 round per second. Could Ben's dot drill work with the same times if I did a loaded gun on table start? I'm not sure how much difference in first shot times these starts yield but the drill would allow me to complete it and not get yelled at for shooting too fast at the range The dot torture requires you to draw from a holster but I don't see any reason you couldn't do it from low ready. The only aspect of training you'd be missing is drawing from a holster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyjones Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 At my local indoor range here in California we are not allowed to holster a gun or shoot more than 1 round per second. Could Ben's dot drill work with the same times if I did a loaded gun on table start? I'm not sure how much difference in first shot times these starts yield but the drill would allow me to complete it and not get yelled at for shooting too fast at the range I usually do it from low ready since I also can't draw from holster at my range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I've done it from a low ready. If you aren't timing yourself, it works out pretty well. It's still incredibly challenging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 F, same at my local indoor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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