Blammo Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I thought these had to be done from surrender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Blammo said: I thought these had to be done from surrender? Yes they are supposed to be, if you want to do it right. Mine from the other day was kind of a test of what I was doing in dry fire, I had gotten down to about a 1.4 and wanted to see if I could replicate it in live fire. I like to do them from both hand positions in practice so I can work on multiple different grip feelings if I have a bad draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxil343 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1.86 seconds is my fastest. I need to get to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmella Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Making multiple attempts yesterday again in 32 degree weather I managed to pull off a 1.76 for my best time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmella Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) I don't have video to prove it but this was my fastest so far. 1.48. Hands were at sides though. Consistency is my problem. When I consciously try to shoot faster I get trigger freeze. Then sometimes I can just let it rip. I had a 1.58 today right before this run. Edited February 26, 2017 by Shmella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlockGuy1 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Sadly I can't break 2.0 with all Alphas. I can pray and spray and get under, but my draw to 1st shot is still just over 1 second and that kills it. My splits with good hits are usually .18 so I just need to work on the draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 1 hour ago, GlockGuy1 said: my draw to 1st shot is still just over 1 second I took a course with a local GM, and he says his aim personally is for a consistent 1.25 second draw. So, you're doing Very Well - nothing wrong with working on it and trying to get it down a bit more - but if he's happy with 1.25 sec, then I am Ecstatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 it's funny you mention that. I've heard similar things from GMs before including a vid of TGO where he said he aims for 'consistent 1.5sec reload'. I guess the key is consistency but I can't help but think sometimes they quote fairly conservative times. The other thing is what is a draw? is that to a 2 yard open target? or to a 25 yard partial? both are going to have different results if I crank out a .85 draw and first shot followed by a 15 split. generally when talking draws I assume we are talking hands by sides to an open target somewhere inside of 10 yards. For me thats a 1 sec or better goal on those. look at gooldy's vid running a 100% classifier. He's pulling a sub 0.80 draw and a sub 0.90 reload on both strings. if that's what it takes too run GM level classifier scores then presumably someone figured that's a GM level skill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 14 hours ago, BeerBaron said: it's funny you mention that. I've heard similar things from GMs before including a vid of TGO where he said he aims for 'consistent 1.5sec reload'. I guess the key is consistency but I can't help but think sometimes they quote fairly conservative times. The other thing is what is a draw? is that to a 2 yard open target? or to a 25 yard partial? both are going to have different results if I crank out a .85 draw and first shot followed by a 15 split. Yeah...assuming about 10 yards, 1.25 draw and 1.5 reload is extremely conservative for GM level ability. Even in matches where I regularly shoot at 80-85% pace I'm still usually faster than those quoted times, and I'm nothing special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou13 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) is it possible to train for a faster trigger finger / faster splits? I'm talking just raw trigger speed with little to no concern for accuracy. my average split is approx .22 I can on rare occasion get a .19/.18. prepped trigger reaction time .20. I know some people are naturally hard wired for fast twitch.... Have i maxed my human potential @ .22? Is this speed trainable? Edited February 28, 2017 by biglou13 edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3djedi Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 is it possible to train for a faster trigger finger / faster splits? I'm talking just raw trigger speed with little to no concern for accuracy. my average split is approx .22 I can on rare occasion get a .19/.18. prepped trigger reaction time .20. I know some people are naturally hard wired for fast twitch.... Have i maxed my human potential @ .22? Is this speed trainable? Interesting question as I have the same issue. My splits are always .22. Occasionally. 20..... best bill drill is around 1.85ish..... only because pretty fast draw to first shot. Probably just lucky indexing on the first shot. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmella Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) I say yes it can be improved. When I was in my early teenage years I played a lot of Paintball (speedball) with hair trigger guns and firing the gun was as easy as a mouse click. You use a two finger technique to press the trigger, once with your index finger and once with your middle finger as fast as you can when playing Speedball. Me and my friends would tap on pens with our fingers or click a mouse as fast as we could to try and hit as many rounds a second as possible. I noticed a huge improvement in finger speed with some practice. So my take is yes you can pull the trigger faster by practicing just that. Edited March 1, 2017 by Shmella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmella Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 14 hours ago, biglou13 said: is it possible to train for a faster trigger finger / faster splits? I'm talking just raw trigger speed with little to no concern for accuracy. my average split is approx .22 I can on rare occasion get a .19/.18. prepped trigger reaction time .20. I know some people are naturally hard wired for fast twitch.... Have i maxed my human potential @ .22? Is this speed trainable? ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou13 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Been working on raw trigger speed. My avg was .22 split recently got .20 relatively consistent my personal best ( fastest split) was .16 maybe a 2 or 3 times in last few thousand rounds found myself more than occasionally short stroking trigger, in quest for faster splits Added the last 2 parts to cz sp01 tactical to complete pro package. 14m lifter and t2 disconnector a'la Cajun....... Reach reduction and short reset today I hit .14 split a couple of times. Out about 100 rounds today only few outside of A zone @ 5 yards so so my human limit as posted earier is improving !!! the mechanical/ shorter reset helped..... But I also think just relaxing and working raw trigger speed without timer has helped. It is good to see some progress. Now to get that .14 consistient or better ( along with other goats) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Yeah...assuming about 10 yards, 1.25 draw and 1.5 reload is extremely conservative for GM level ability. Even in matches where I regularly shoot at 80-85% pace I'm still usually faster than those quoted times, and I'm nothing special.I have always taken that to mean that you could win matches (ala nationals) with those times, assuming the rest of your game was good. But yes, I consistently will be at or under 1 second draws and under 1.5 second loads in matches, when the opportunity presents itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximis228 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Trying to work bill drills at further distances lately to be more aggressive on longer shots in matches. Was able to rip 6 alphas at 17 yards in 2.00 pretty consistently. New goal is 2.0 or under from 20. Tried a few last night and ended with lots of charlies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troupe Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Relaxation is the hardest part to conquer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 7 minutes ago, troupe said: Relaxation is the hardest part to conquer. Being physically relaxed is massively overrated...Being mentally relaxed comes from proper preparation and experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troupe Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Relaxation is both physical and mental and it takes both to be fast. I agree that it comes with experience and proper training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) 50 minutes ago, troupe said: it takes both to be fast. I do not agree. In my opinion, being physically relaxed does not make you fast. Having proper body tension combined with an effective grip and stance manages recoil more effectively than the same grip and stance while being relaxed. Better recoil management means less gun/body movement. Less gun/body movement leads to faster shooting and better accuracy at speed. You can still be very fast and accurate while being relaxed, but in my opinion you'll never be maximizing your ability. Edited March 26, 2017 by Jake Di Vita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my00wrx1 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 15 hours ago, troupe said: Relaxation is both physical and mental and it takes both to be fast. I agree that it comes with experience and proper training. Do you mean relaxed prior to the start signal or during actual shooting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregdavidl Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 I always felt a little tense and nervous to the point of being a little nauseous at the first stage. BUT, I always realized that this was normal and part of the process and why I shot - to do something that got me excited. I was ALWAYS mentally relaxed, even for my first stage, because I knew that I had prepared for the match and that there was not a shot I could not make. I may not win, but I knew I could make the shots and execute my stage plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 For me, being "relaxed" meant not being tense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quliming Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Fastest I have seen from USPSA shooter is 1.4 sec. That's making all alpha shots, realistically. There are guys that can shoot cowboy styles in under 1 sec I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximis228 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, quliming said: Fastest I have seen from USPSA shooter is 1.4 sec. That's making all alpha shots, realistically. There are guys that can shoot cowboy styles in under 1 sec I think. You new or did you get reset to zero? This is quite the race to 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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