Koppi Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I was just informed by A0000000003 that you can't use 38 short colt in a 38spl. Can anyone point out the rule for that? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afoulk Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Yes. 8.2.5.1.1. Any revolver of .38 Special caliber or larger that utilizes ammunition with a rimmed case and is not loaded with moon clips. 8.2.5.1.2. The use of trimmed (shortened) ammunition is not allowed. 8.2.5.1.3. Ammunition used must match the caliber listed on the firearm with the following exceptions: 8.2.5.1.3.1. .38 special in .357 magnum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRodriguez Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) I believe, that if the cases are marked 38 special, then they cant be cut down to short colt length, same for 357 magnum, 38 short colt, should be marked as such.to be run in the firearm. I'll have to do a little looking into it. if all else fails then grind out the special on the barrel and stamp in "short colt", little glass beading and all should be good. Edited November 24, 2014 by JohnRodriguez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 No, they may not. The rule states: "Any revolver of .38 Special or larger caliber..." Now if you wish to get down to the fine art of range lawyering, you might note that .38 S&W is a larger CALIBER than .38 Special, .361" vs .358". But you would have to use correct headstamp cases and a correct roll marked gun. What would that be? A WWII British surplus Victory model? A Model 11? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOF Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 8.2.5.1.2 would prohibit shortening (trimming) a .38 Spl case to a length below .38 Spl.... even if headstamped .38 and fired from a .38/357 gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nesbitt Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 And when you shoot at a major match, the helpful SO's will hand back your brass sometimes. After they have looked at it. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOF Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Yeah, they can be 'helpful' like that. The experienced ones (not talking about the new crop of six match one-year wonders) can also tell, at a glance, the difference between a factory .38 and one that has been shortened to .38 Long Colt length. Best to play within the Rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koppi Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 OK, It is clear to me that only 38 spl can be used in my S&W 67. I did like the idea of grinding of the SPL though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRodriguez Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 it's kind of strange that in ESR (which is not more) that you can run a 45 acp or 45 GAP in a 45 colt chamber, but you can't run a 38 short colt in a 357 mag cylinder. of course with idpa it wouldn't be strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Hell, cut them shorter than that. I have a buddy that cuts his .38 special brass to the point that he is balancing just barely making ICORE power factor (120) and still getting reliable ejection (pressure is pretty high). Talk about optimization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Let's hear it for the Volcanic, completely caseless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRodriguez Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 (edited) revo division may end up like the Clint Eastwood movie where he changes the complete cylinder, can't remember which one. percussion cap black powder , PCB instead of SSR or ESR. also caseless. Edited November 28, 2014 by JohnRodriguez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nesbitt Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 revo division may end up like the Clint Eastwood movie where he changes the complete cylinder, can't remember which one. percussion cap black powder , PCB instead of SSR or ESR. also caseless. In the past I have done not for score reshoots carrying 4 black powder revolvers. Quite a lot of fun. I didn't have to worry about the SO crowding me because they couldn't breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travtastik Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 revo division may end up like the Clint Eastwood movie where he changes the complete cylinder, can't remember which one. Pale Rider. The whole movie used cap and ball pistols but you can hear the brass hit the ground when they reload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcb Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 revo division may end up like the Clint Eastwood movie where he changes the complete cylinder, can't remember which one. percussion cap black powder , PCB instead of SSR or ESR. also caseless.In the past I have done not for score reshoots carrying 4 black powder revolvers. Quite a lot of fun. I didn't have to worry about the SO crowding me because they couldn't breath. That would be spectacular! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra99 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 revo division may end up like the Clint Eastwood movie where he changes the complete cylinder, can't remember which one. percussion cap black powder , PCB instead of SSR or ESR. also caseless. In the past I have done not for score reshoots carrying 4 black powder revolvers. Quite a lot of fun. I didn't have to worry about the SO crowding me because they couldn't breath. Could you see the targets? That would be an interesting rig to see you wear. Got any pictures? or even better video? Of course, not sure what we would be able to see either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nesbitt Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 revo division may end up like the Clint Eastwood movie where he changes the complete cylinder, can't remember which one. percussion cap black powder , PCB instead of SSR or ESR. also caseless. In the past I have done not for score reshoots carrying 4 black powder revolvers. Quite a lot of fun. I didn't have to worry about the SO crowding me because they couldn't breath. Could you see the targets? That would be an interesting rig to see you wear. Got any pictures? or even better video? Of course, not sure what we would be able to see either. Sorry, no pics or vids. I used to shoot cowboy action. I had a left and right holster on each side plus left and right slanted cross draw holsters, all on one belt. I had a pair of Vaqueros shooting black powder cartridges plus a Remington and a Colt cap and ball revolver. Load and make ready took a while. I would shoot one revolver empty, holster it and keep shooting and switching until done. Loads of fun. Getting back to power factor, the Vaqueros made power factor but the cap and ball probably didn't. I wonder how they were effective back in the day when they didn't make power factor. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra99 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 revo division may end up like the Clint Eastwood movie where he changes the complete cylinder, can't remember which one. percussion cap black powder , PCB instead of SSR or ESR. also caseless. In the past I have done not for score reshoots carrying 4 black powder revolvers. Quite a lot of fun. I didn't have to worry about the SO crowding me because they couldn't breath. Could you see the targets? That would be an interesting rig to see you wear. Got any pictures? or even better video? Of course, not sure what we would be able to see either. Sorry, no pics or vids. I used to shoot cowboy action. I had a left and right holster on each side plus left and right slanted cross draw holsters, all on one belt. I had a pair of Vaqueros shooting black powder cartridges plus a Remington and a Colt cap and ball revolver. Load and make ready took a while. I would shoot one revolver empty, holster it and keep shooting and switching until done. Loads of fun. Getting back to power factor, the Vaqueros made power factor but the cap and ball probably didn't. I wonder how they were effective back in the day when they didn't make power factor. LOL Sounds like a lot of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 An 85 grain .36 Navy ball and about a zillion germs equals good "stopping power." I have always figured that was the reason small calibers were accepted in the pre-antibiotic era, any penetrating hit could be crippling or lethal and everybody knew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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