AirForce2 Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 Hmmm, After smoothing out the versa competition forcing cone rough lines/rings, I shot some 15 rds split between low recoil rio slugs & low recoil federal tru ball slugs a few weeks ago and having trouble getting consistent grouping at 100 yds. The group is about 12 inches or more with either rio or fed. It's no better or worse after smoothing out the cone. I had good results with the rio low recoil slugs out of my Mossberg 930 appx 6 inch or less and I thought I had a good grouping early on with the versamax competition that I remember ie...more like a 4-6 inch at 100 yds. Surprisingly the leading in the forcing cone area still seems pretty high for just 15 rds thru a smoother forcing cone than what it was. Maybe I can't really keep the leading from occurring due to the cone in general. I can deal with the leading, but not the accuracy grouping. I feel confident the front & rear sights are good and tight, and the tube ext is tight so the only thing I can think of is maybe the choke it doesn't like. I swapped from the pro bore LM early on that came with to a briley LM X2 as of late, so I may swap back to the pro bore LM and try improved cyl see if it's any difference in grouping . So far the $100 and time spent to polish the forcing cone didn't seem to gain me anything except looks prettier in the bore or maybe since I only got 75% of the roughness polished out, baaaahhh crap who knows, it's always something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z0624 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Hi All, I have the VM 3-Gun Comp and the rail that came with mine is just a bit too tall to maintain use of the iron sights when the optic is off. Does anyone know of a rail manufacturer that has a low enough profile to not obstruct the view of the rear sight? Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M8Stealth Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 The rear rail with its U-shape makes a nice rear sight in its own right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z0624 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Thanks, M8Stealth. I haven't shot it with the rail on to see where the U-Channel needs to be in relation to the front F/O site but i guess I'll find out. Have you had a chance to shoot slugs with the rail on and no optic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirForce2 Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) Here are a few pics that show the 2nd round tweeks & finished load port area, foregrip, stippling, sights. I shot slugs at 100 yds the other day after putting the extended rem pro bore choke imp cyl instead of the briley X2, LM choke and the grouping seems a little better with rio low recoil slugs and 4 outa first 5 slugs were about 4 inch group and slug shots 5 & 6 made the group 6-7 inch total off a bench rest. I don't have any other chokes to try. I made sure the choke & load tube nut were tight down on the foregrip to. I see a slight advantage in tapering down the sides and bottom of the front foregrip if for nothing else the removal of sharp contours for you fingers and palm to glide over for load 2 & quads. I would also move the front loading port forward to almost the steel load tube. The stippling with larger round soldering bit looks ok & is very functional on the front & rear grips including the rubber sticker sections, but if you have the time & patience, the skinny pointed tip solder iron stipple job looks & feels much better and feels like skateboard tape, only not as abrasive. I stippled the orig but I have a spare foregrip I ordered from Rem was for the "sportsman" versa and has no rubber on it. You can compare the small pointed solder tip stipple job on my mossb to see which one you like better. I sent in my Pikes Peak Shotgun 2015 entry last week so hopefully I'll have a working shotgun to make my first major shotgun match redo not such a heart breaker. Edited January 25, 2015 by AirForce2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crotchThrower Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I own a versamax and as pointed on this thread it is a beast lo load. I bought this thing after all the sale hype about being competition ready... But in reality the work that needs to be done on it is not by far much different than the work you would have to do on less expensive competition shotguns. Anyways I own it and I am hurting. I heard the name triangle and I am not sure who they are or how to contact them. Any website or contact info would be helpful, if they are still doing this work. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szhttm Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 http://triangleshootingsports.com/ Good Luck And Be Safe!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crotchThrower Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Thank you Sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3gunjunky Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Like others I bought a Vmax Comp "hoping" it was match ready. I'm not disappointed and knew from other experiences with match ready guns it would probably be close but not match ready for serious competitors. Anyway I'm going through the gun and everything is going well but I have a question. Can some explain the shell catch mod in a little more detail? I have watched a few videos on YouTube about it but no one is really explaining to well........or at least well enough for me to understand......lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowashooter Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 The mod I did was to take a half round needle file and file an arch in the latch where there is a crease where the part is stamped out. I then took a shell and wrapped some 400 grit wet dry sand paper to it and smoothed it out then polished it. The objective is to make the latch deflect as little as possible. I then took a round needle file and filed the little "u" notches deeper. And then I put it in a vise and bent it slightly back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Iowashooter Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 This is a picture of the modification that I made to the handguard and port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3gunjunky Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Thanks Iowa shooter. I knew basically what everyone was trying to accomplish by looking at it but you can get there many different ways....ie bending, how you cut the steel, the angles of the cut, etc. I like the way you contoured the cut to match the shell........I didn't think of that. That was a BIG help and so were the pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirForce2 Posted March 10, 2015 Author Share Posted March 10, 2015 I had recently swapped to my other trigger group on my versa comp since I had 2 trigger assy's both with extended lifters and wanted to ensure they both worked. Well even though both lifter extensions were done by the same place, there must be a slight diff either between the lifter mods or the trigger groups because one of them seems to have occasional issue of a shell goes back onto the lifter, but doesn't get lifted up feed during live fire. Not sure exactly why so swapped back to the orig. I had 3 of these in just 50-70 rds of same usual ammo and one of them was when a fellow 3 gun shotgun guy used it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowashooter Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I had recently swapped to my other trigger group on my versa comp since I had 2 trigger assy's both with extended lifters and wanted to ensure they both worked. Well even though both lifter extensions were done by the same place, there must be a slight diff either between the lifter mods or the trigger groups because one of them seems to have occasional issue of a shell goes back onto the lifter, but doesn't get lifted up feed during live fire. Not sure exactly why so swapped back to the orig. I had 3 of these in just 50-70 rds of same usual ammo and one of them was when a fellow 3 gun shotgun guy used it. Did you ever remove the smaller inner spring from behind the shell latch? I had the type of malfunction and that fixed the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crotchThrower Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Don't remove the inner spring. It will make loading the shells harder to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crotchThrower Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Sounds to me the issue is with your new lifter. Something is not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRicks Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Don't remove the inner spring. It will make loading the shells harder to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowashooter Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I would much ratcher have to exert 3 oz. More force to load my gun than have it not properly cycle a round. I also experienced no appreciable difference in my ability to load the gun after removing the spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunCat Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Don't remove the inner spring. It will make loading the shells harder to do. Movement of the Feed Latch (shell latch) is limited by the Feed Latch Release at the rear and by its own flex tension at the front (where the shell rim stops coming in/out of the mag tube). The 1 or 2 springs behind the latch do not affect loading the mag tube at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRicks Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Don't remove the inner spring. It will make loading the shells harder to do. Movement of the Feed Latch (shell latch) is limited by the Feed Latch Release at the rear and by its own flex tension at the front (where the shell rim stops coming in/out of the mag tube). The 1 or 2 springs behind the latch do not affect loading the mag tube at all. I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunCat Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) Don't remove the inner spring. It will make loading the shells harder to do. Movement of the Feed Latch (shell latch) is limited by the Feed Latch Release at the rear and by its own flex tension at the front (where the shell rim stops coming in/out of the mag tube). The 1 or 2 springs behind the latch do not affect loading the mag tube at all. I understand. I knew you (of all people) would! (I was agreeing with you) Edited March 11, 2015 by GunCat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crotchThrower Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) Removing the small inner springs makes loading the shells harder. Shell Latch is aided by that smaller spring. But this is easy to test.. Take it out, put it back together and report back. If it is not harder to get passed it... then my Versamax competition tactical is unique in that respect. There was another thread here on Enos, where it was advised against it. I wanted to test for myself and I did. They were right in my case. Also by your own admission you have two trigger groups. One works flawlessly and the other does not. Wouldn't it stand to logic that there is something wrong with the one trigger group unrelated to the latch inner spring... just saying. Edited March 11, 2015 by crotchThrower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crotchThrower Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) btw,,, I opened up the half moon cuts in my shell latch and bent it backwards. Kept both springs in. I also opened up the loading port even more and now my versamax is a dream to quad load in a hurry. thank you all for the info provided here. Edited March 11, 2015 by crotchThrower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirForce2 Posted March 12, 2015 Author Share Posted March 12, 2015 My trigger groups have nothing to do with the 2 shell latch/shell stop springs and are unchanged if that mislead anyone. I swapped between the entire trigger housing assy, each one has it's own lifter. The shell stop & springs did not change. Likely culprit should not change out a like item that was working and blame it on a totally different part that I didn't swap out. Possible, yes. Probable, no. But weirder things have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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