Dww Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Hey all, Been into reloading about a month and loaded and used about 1000 rounds of 9mm with no problems I was wondering if its possible to load your own hollow points for home defense only (not carry) for use in An emergency worst case senario situation. Also, does anyone have experience and or reference to load data for AA no 2 powder for 147 gr 9mm? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Mean old guy here...please buy a loading manual. ALL you seek to know is within its covers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtp Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Why would it not be possible? If it's a good idea or not is a matter of much debate, and only you can decide. Hornady XTP or Speer Gold Dot bullets are available for those looking for them, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmbaccolyte Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Hey all, Been into reloading about a month and loaded and used about 1000 rounds of 9mm with no problems I was wondering if its possible to load your own hollow points for home defense only (not carry) for use in An emergency worst case senario situation. Also, does anyone have experience and or reference to load data for AA no 2 powder for 147 gr 9mm? Thanks Yes, but its not a good idea from a legal standpoint. You probably wouldn't have much of a problem with the police or the district attorney's office. The real problem would likely be in a civil suit for wrongful death. There you'd probably win too, but several good attorney's told me before I retired that they would charge at least $10,000 (for a friend) for this kind of case. The other side's attorney will argue (among other things) that you intentionally created inhumane and cruel ammunition specifically designed to create maximum damage in his poor misunderstood client or the poor misunderstood recently deceased child/spouse/father of the person suing you. I suggest you just buy some factory premium defense ammo and use that for carry and home defense or even better get a shotgun for home defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDA Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Hey all, Been into reloading about a month and loaded and used about 1000 rounds of 9mm with no problems I was wondering if its possible to load your own hollow points for home defense only (not carry) for use in An emergency worst case senario situation. Also, does anyone have experience and or reference to load data for AA no 2 powder for 147 gr 9mm? Thanks Yes, but its not a good idea from a legal standpoint. You probably wouldn't have much of a problem with the police or the district attorney's office. The real problem would likely be in a civil suit for wrongful death. There you'd probably win too, but several good attorney's told me before I retired that they would charge at least $10,000 (for a friend) for this kind of case. The other side's attorney will argue (among other things) that you intentionally created inhumane and cruel ammunition specifically designed to create maximum damage in his poor misunderstood client or the poor misunderstood recently deceased child/spouse/father of the person suing you. I suggest you just buy some factory premium defense ammo and use that for carry and home defense or even better get a shotgun for home defense. Yes, get one of those humane and kind shotguns... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 We just had a big discussion, here, about a month ago re: using handloads for self defense. Up to you - but you might want to to back and read those words of wisdom. Since I use very few (NONE) rounds for self defense (fortunately), I don't mind spending bucks for a box of factory self defense rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I carry ammunition I have loaded quite often in pistols, rifles and shotguns, never had any legal problems after any of my kills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmbaccolyte Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Well, okay; I guess that answers that question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkrad1935 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I wouldn't want a pistol of any caliber in a SHTF scenario. Haha. 12 Guage is a beast. Just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmbaccolyte Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) Hey all, Been into reloading about a month and loaded and used about 1000 rounds of 9mm with no problems I was wondering if its possible to load your own hollow points for home defense only (not carry) for use in An emergency worst case senario situation. Also, does anyone have experience and or reference to load data for AA no 2 powder for 147 gr 9mm? Thanks Yes, but its not a good idea from a legal standpoint. You probably wouldn't have much of a problem with the police or the district attorney's office. The real problem would likely be in a civil suit for wrongful death. There you'd probably win too, but several good attorney's told me before I retired that they would charge at least $10,000 (for a friend) for this kind of case. The other side's attorney will argue (among other things) that you intentionally created inhumane and cruel ammunition specifically designed to create maximum damage in his poor misunderstood client or the poor misunderstood recently deceased child/spouse/father of the person suing you. I suggest you just buy some factory premium defense ammo and use that for carry and home defense or even better get a shotgun for home defense. Yes, get one of those humane and kind shotguns... Real life has only somewhat to do with it. Facts are not always in charge. The legal system kicks off any jurors that have expert knowledge of the subjects at issue... think about it. And furthermore, the system is set up to allow only the evidence that is deemed admissible and not prejudicial in court and there is about 200 years of precedent court cases. The vast majority of Supreme Court decisions were good, but a few were ... questionable. Edited March 4, 2014 by jmbaccolyte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blankenhole Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Hey all, Been into reloading about a month and loaded and used about 1000 rounds of 9mm with no problems I was wondering if its possible to load your own hollow points for home defense only (not carry) for use in An emergency worst case senario situation. Also, does anyone have experience and or reference to load data for AA no 2 powder for 147 gr 9mm? Thanks Yes, but its not a good idea from a legal standpoint. You probably wouldn't have much of a problem with the police or the district attorney's office. The real problem would likely be in a civil suit for wrongful death. There you'd probably win too, but several good attorney's told me before I retired that they would charge at least $10,000 (for a friend) for this kind of case. The other side's attorney will argue (among other things) that you intentionally created inhumane and cruel ammunition specifically designed to create maximum damage in his poor misunderstood client or the poor misunderstood recently deceased child/spouse/father of the person suing you. I suggest you just buy some factory premium defense ammo and use that for carry and home defense or even better get a shotgun for home defense. Yes, get one of those humane and kind shotguns... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngeyes Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) I carry ammunition I have loaded quite often in pistols, rifles and shotguns, never had any legal problems after any of my kills. Serious bada$$. Edited March 4, 2014 by Youngeyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Well, I guess the only things I have killed in defence of my home and property have been animals but I still don't have a problem having reloads in my guns and I wouldn't unload them and find factory ammo to put in them if I needed one for human defence. I have not seen any specific case, criminal or civil, that reloads played a factor and it's not like my ammunition is "super killer" ammo. in fact it is "less lethal" that many factory loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDA Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Well, I guess the only things I have killed in defence of my home and property have been animals but I still don't have a problem having reloads in my guns and I wouldn't unload them and find factory ammo to put in them if I needed one for human defence. I have not seen any specific case, criminal or civil, that reloads played a factor and it's not like my ammunition is "super killer" ammo. in fact it is "less lethal" that many factory loads. Well, the prosecutor is going to go after you for attempting to maim and permanently hurt their client rather than a humane kill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan45kim Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 please give an example of a case where that happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911 S.I.S.sy Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Mean old guy here...please buy a loading manual. ALL you seek to know is within its covers.Guys for the ops original question the way I read it Pat gave the best answer. All loading manual have the data for the projectiles he it talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) Hey all, Been into reloading about a month and loaded and used about 1000 rounds of 9mm with no problems I was wondering if its possible to load your own hollow points for home defense only (not carry) for use in An emergency worst case senario situation. Also, does anyone have experience and or reference to load data for AA no 2 powder for 147 gr 9mm? Thanks Yes, but its not a good idea from a legal standpoint. You probably wouldn't have much of a problem with the police or the district attorney's office. The real problem would likely be in a civil suit for wrongful death. If it was a bad shoot, *or* if you live in a state that allows a civil suit in the case of a justified self-defense shoot (many do not allow such suits). to aswer the original question, it is possible and even pretty easy to load defensive hollowpoint ammo. Or you could just buy a mosin-nagant and 880 rds of surplus ammo, consider the shtf scenario accounted for, and spend the extra money on beer. Edited March 4, 2014 by motosapiens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDA Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 please give an example of a case where that happened If you are talking to me, I was being facetious as I don't share the same opinion as many that hand loaded self defense ammo is going to make you a perfect target for an ambitious prosecutor and/or a defense attorney in a civil case. Whether I defend my home against an invader with a pistol loaded with factory Speer 9mm +P GDHP or hand loaded Speer 9mm +P GDHP or a 10 gauge shotgun or an AR-10 or a full auto M16, I fail to see where the hand loaded Speer 9mm +P GDHP puts me at a much greater risk for prosecution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDlineman Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Who are the judge, jurors, attorneys, etc. going to be when the SHTF? I want to stay at their house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dww Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 Thanks everyone for all advise and humor" this will prompt me to look into the civil laws concerning home defense in my state. If I ever did need to defend against an attack I would use everthing at my disposal including my handguns. Shooting ball ammo would be far too dangerous in an urban environment, not to mention maybe not effective. And I won't even ask about dipping my defense rounds in fire ants! Kidding! Thanks, very informative and entertaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 You inferred that you are new to reloading...Please buy a loading manual. Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan45kim Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 My point was for the millions of times we have all heard never load ammo for self-defense not once has anyone been able to provide an actual case where it mattered civil or criminal. Anymore I put this in the same category as Bigfoot. I’m done going off topic sorry OP and to answer your question take Pat’s advice, he is right on as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan45kim Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 RDA I think we are making the same point no one is attacking you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilBunniFuFu Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 In response to your question. Possible but not a good idea. You can buy Golddot, saber, hornady etc. projectiles and load them but I wouldn't. The was a legal case a few years ago where a guy shot and killed an intruder in his home. Because he used reloads the burn patterns from the gun powder on the "victim's" clothing did not match the factory burn patterns. So it was decided that he was much closer when he pulled the trigger than his defense stated. End result he lost. This happened on the east coast in the mid 2000's I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I don't have a side in the argument about handloads vs factory. So, I got a box of factory ammo, of which I have used exactly zero. Go with whatever makes you feel better !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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