Sac Law Man Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 (edited) While watching myself on video, I have noticed that my steps into and out of shooting boxes is good, but when I'm moving to shoot around a barricade or other object my steps appear to be short stutter steps,and i end up wasting lots of time. I try to come to a stop with strong side foot first ( brake) and then support foot does the final plant. Should my steps be llong smooth strides, use a distance of 4-5 yards, or short steps? Any help or tips would be appreciated. Edited April 24, 2012 by Sac Law Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiserb Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 While watching myself on video, I have noticed that my steps into and out of shooting boxes is good, but when I'm moving to shoot around a barricade or other object my steps appear to be short stutter steps,and i end up wasting lots of time. I try to come to a stop with strong side foot first ( brake) and then support foot does the final plant. Should my steps be llong smooth strides, use a distance of 4-5 yards, or short steps? Any help or tips would be appreciated. When approaching a barricade from the rear left or rear right: I plant the left foot first for a right side setup I plant the right foot first for a left side setup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) Good question. While watching Stoeger's National vid I was struck by how short his steps were and that got me thinking. A shorter step is less disruptive than a long one, therefore we should be able to recover sooner and shoot sooner... Something to think about. Those national stages are traditionally fairly small with 10 feet or so between arrays, and locally we stretch out a lot more than that, so that's something else to think about. Set up a drill and put a timer on it. That's always the right thing to do. SA Edited April 25, 2012 by Steve Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 When you need to run between positions, run. Any other time when the gun is up and you are either entering positions or actively engaging targets smaller steps cause less disruption. Watch JJ in this video clip. The first 2 or three steps after leaving te first position are larger but after that they are barely wider than shoulder width. Pay attention to his head throughout and see how much up and down movement you see.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunchies95 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 When you need to run between positions, run. Any other time when the gun is up and you are either entering positions or actively engaging targets smaller steps cause less disruption. Watch JJ in this video clip. The first 2 or three steps after leaving te first position are larger but after that they are barely wider than shoulder width. Pay attention to his head throughout and see how much up and down movement you see.. That looks like someone pushed fast forward during that run . Eveything from the waist up however, barely looked like it was moving an inch or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjts Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 (edited) I'm having the same question with my movement. I also take short stutter steps between positions and it seems to be costing me a fair amount of time, I'm not sure if the short steps are an issue, but my acceleration out of a position and balance moving into a position is weak. I've started doing some footwork drills and plyometrics this weekend in addition to the standard moving into and out of a shooting box drills. My hope is that the movments will eventually become subconcious; at that point we'll see if my stage times show improvement. Mike Edited May 7, 2012 by mjts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD45 Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 (edited) Have you ever shot Outer Limits at a Steel challenge? It is two boxes fairly close together. Todd Jarett was down here practicing once, and after standing around talking to him for a while he says, "you want some tips on this stage?" After we were done I showed him how I had been moving between boxes. It was one long step out, and a long crossover step to plant the left foot in box first. I asked if it was the fastest way. He said that he and other shooters had experimented with that but always found extra shorter steps were giving faster times. One reason was the body and gun doesn't bounce around as much, and settles down faster to break the third shot. And yes, Todd is that nice. In my mind he is one of the best promoters of the sport. Edited May 8, 2012 by JD45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Another thing to consider is your center of gravity. I played tight end in H.S. football and learned to run a lot of patterns. One of the best "tools" we used was to lower our center of gravity when we wanted to decelerate quickly (like a stop and turn). Its amazing how quickly you can slow down by squatting your knees and lowering your hips. This works equally well in IPSC, especially on field courses when you have a fair amount of distance between shooting positions. Grunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Another thing to consider is your center of gravity. I played tight end in H.S. football and learned to run a lot of patterns. One of the best "tools" we used was to lower our center of gravity when we wanted to decelerate quickly (like a stop and turn). Its amazing how quickly you can slow down by squatting your knees and lowering your hips. This works equally well in IPSC, especially on field courses when you have a fair amount of distance between shooting positions. Grunt +1 on lowering the hips and squatting a bit, for better leverage. playing basketball during my younger years helps with my footwork when I begin learning IPSC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexOsensei Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I was watching the differnt footwork avaiable ..ehehe the bunny hop, I hope to write right, for short movement the cross step, to increase the distance and the move( look for "food for tought" post) I am working in dryfire on this. Hope to build my footwork rightly, move fast is the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) Yea me maybe i can get the foot work right. I've just about messed up every other aspect of my shootings. Lol :roflol: Edit for spelling. Messed that up too . Edited June 22, 2012 by a matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I don't think the size of the step matters if the gun and the sights are not bouncing. Here is a clip with small steps and some big ones in the same stage. This guy is pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexOsensei Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Eric is incredible, now that he is shifted to production, he continues to win..really great shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyZip Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Did you notice in that vid though that Grauffel lowers his whole body between the first barricade and the last shooting position. It is quite noticeable. That is one smooth run too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sin-ster Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 The simple answer is often the best: Whatever gets you out of the first position, into the second and (most importantly) shooting the A's the fastest is what you should do. I can almost guarantee that trying to plan it out consciously is going to cause problems, barring the ability to walk the stages "perfectly" enough times where it just happens as you planned it without you paying specific attention to your feet. Otherwise, let your body work it out naturally in practice-- though folks without past athletic experience (as per Grunt's example) may benefit from some cross-training or reading up on the subject. If you will your sights to settle sooner as you're entering a new spot, and focus simply on seeing that happen, your body should figure it out on its own. The REALLY hard part is learning how much "bounce" in the sights is acceptable on certain targets at certain distances. You'll be amazed what you can get away with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC1 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 A GM I shoot with told me to try to walk directly at a target while shooting on the move. This has helped me more than the size of the step which seems to work itself out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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