Yeah I started less then they advertised since I was doing coated lead 165gr bullets. If I used the minimum 6.3gr of powder with a 165gr coated lead bullet at 1.175 OAL I made 192PF out of my SSTK and Limited guns. Dropped the powder charge down to 5.8gr an still make 170pf. The Lyman 49th edition reloading manual shows way different minimum and maximum powder charges then the VV reloading website.