Thanks for all of the replies. I rarely get away from published load data and I appreciate you all sharing knowledge with me. Here is an update from this weekends range test. I loaded up some test rounds 2.9 grains of 231 with a oal of 1.097, 3.0, 3.1, and 3.2. working with a Chrono and paper I discovered I needed to drop this entirely. Poor accuracy and more than comfortable variations in velocity. 2.9 grains were ok 30fps deviation. when I got to the 3 gr I found a problem. 85 fps deviation and notable difference in recoil. I stopped there. I did not even try to shoot the rest. I was getting uncomfortable with how it was going. the purpose was to find better accuracy and things were definitely headed in the wrong direction. I normally load 3.1 to 3.3 grains under 147 grain xtreme loaded to 1.16. runs about 3.5 inches at 25 yds. I was hoping to find a combo that did better. Thanks again all.