MrDesertBrat

Will only go on one way given the mounting screw placement.

Thanks.. sent the email to Vortex this morning.. waiting for a response.

Thanks Steve .. my thoughts/worries also.. should have a slight downward cant on the front..

Folks, I am attempting to install a Vortex Venom 6 mil on my S&W M&P 9 Pro (5"). I obtained a Venom dove tail mount (Vortex 5110). When I installed it, I added the "shim plate". It had two dimples in the middle of the 1st third of the plate and four parameter holes. I place the plate, as directed, over the four corner pins of the mount base and place the Venom on the top of the shim plate. Tightened everything down. The Venom has a slight cant to it (higher towards the muzzle) caused by the dimples on the shim plate (more than a 1/16th). Also, the screws provided by the mount obtained for the M&P did not fit the Venom's mounting screw holes and had to be drilled/reamed out. So what is the issue if I have followed the directions? Wow, the red dot is not even close to the front sight - it is significantly higher - not sure co-witnessing the dot and front sight is even practical. Questions: 1. Has anyone one else done the same - Venom on a S&W M&P Pro (not a CORE) and experienced the same issue? 2. Any ideas on what the shim plate is for? 3. Is that upward/front cant normal? Thoughts, suggestions, welcome Thanks

Update: 1) Cleaners I am trying Hornady's Cleaner and seems to work well .. for now. Been told the Simple Green needs to the HD new version, otherwise some pitting on aluminum make/will occur Have been told (by Crest Cleaning) that all part should be air blasted prior to lubing to remove carbon pieces and water before lubing 2) Dunk lubes Am trying the CC-400L for now. Seems to do a good product jobs. Actually too good of a job. I cleaned the guns, and while they were still warm placed into the lube for 10 mins. Removed them and let them drip dry for 24 hrs. Results were a very well lubed pistol. Too much so, even after wiping, it was still "too greasy". I contacted Firearms Cleaning, in NJ (Crest Cleaning Agent) and discussed the issue (too much lube). He advised the process I am using is wrong. His suggestions were to: Use Hot water and a good solution for the cleaning (10 mins or so, 130 degrees or so) Remove and using compressed air, blow everything dry. Firing pin holes, nooks and crannies, etc. The cleaner will vibrate off carbon and stuff, but the particle size may not allow them to leave small areas (firing pin tunnels, extractor grooves, etc.) After air blasts, heat the lube (120 to 130) and place parts in it.. place into the sonic system and vibrate for 4-5 mins. If I want a thicket coat, use a lower temperature. Anyways, that's my update for now. Summary: Hornady cleaner works well. CC-400L Gun Lube is great for long term storage, not sure I can recommend for every day use (at this time - I will try the suggested method and report the results). Anyone have any experience with Slip 2000 gun lube? That will be my fall back plan..

Hmm.. more toys.. not all that bad of an idea.. hmmm.. CZ 75 (DA/SA) with optics on slide.. hmmm....

Thanks zzt. Given that I already have the 9 Pro, and it already has the Apex FFT in it, and Vortex Venom & slide/dove tail mount is on the way .. my choices really seemed to be only 2, opps 3.. maybe 4 1. Do nothing, put the reflex sight on and shoot cans 2. Concede, get a KKM barrel and comp and try to play with the fast big boys 3. Remove the Apex FFT and FFT specific parts, remove mag well, get an Apex competition kit for the standard trigger, and shoot CO. 4. Sell the Venom and pout. ...and petition the USPSA ruling body for a Limited CO class.. more complexity... {sigh} Life was much more simple as a kid, .22 short/.22 LR, rifle, bent sights, sand pit and tin cans ...

Thanks zzt. I am running into the same issue (eyes) and wanted to try the CO class. I have an M&P ESP for IPDA .. and was looking to put some glass on it.. BUT.. some rules are in the way (damn administrators {smiles}). I will have to remove the Apex FFT trigger and kit (forcing me to buy the competition trigger kit enhancement kit and use the stock trigger) and pull the mag well off. Other wise, if I use optics with the ESP setup, I would have to be in the Open class {shudders} playing with the racers. Another question, regarding barrels. The M&P 9 4.5" can come with a threaded barrel, yet the 5" Pro Series and 9L series does not. Does that inhibit the use of a after market 5" threaded barrel in the 9 Pro and 9L for CO? Thanks!

Thanks moto.. sorry to waste folks time.. Rules state: " — A handgun may be approved specifically for Carry Optics division provided that the model of the pistol used is an approved Production Division model AND meets Carry Optics criteria. Any pistol that is not on the approved Production list, but meets Carry Optics criteria must submit a Manufacturers Declaration Form to DNROI stating that a minimum of 500 complete handguns have been manufactured and are available to the general public"

Oh Boy.. sorry for the foolish posts then.. Rules: — A handgun may be approved specifically for Carry Optics division provided that the model of the pistol used is an approved Production Division model AND meets Carry Optics criteria. Any pistol that is not on the approved Production list, but meets Carry Optics criteria must submit a Manufacturers Declaration Form to DNROI stating that a minimum of 500 complete handguns have been manufactured and are available to the general public the S&W 1911 is NOT a production division model.. looks like the CZ's will reign .. sorry for wasting folks time.

Opps.. that would answer a lot of question .. did not see that...

Folks, Looking to start shooting USPSA. Have a nice S&W 1911 9mm Performance Center pistol with Dawson sights (thus restricted to SS and/or Limit 10). Given my aging eye sight, I am considering going and place a Burris Fastfire 3 on it, and trying the CO division. After reading this forum and the rule book, some concerns have arisen: 1. I just noted that they changed the magazine rule are not limiting magazine capacity - hence I believe I would be at a disadvantage (extra on course reloads) over the high capacity 9mm (CZ 75, etc.). True? 2. Some one noted that an optic sight mounted behind the ejection port was a disadvantage over one in front of the ejection port! HUH? Why would that be? 3. Any thoughts on the options for us old folk with failing eye sight? 4. Also have an IPDA Enhanced M&P Pro 9L Performance Center pistol - would I be better to make that a CO class pistol (mill slide or doe tail mount) and live with the long trigger pull? Thoughts, Comments, Concerns, Advise MORE than welcome and greatly appreciated. Thanks

It might. BUT in my case, it makes using a 1911 tougher .. if a typical string is 22 to 30 round, that's 2 reloads for the high capacity 9's (CZ 75's etc.) and 3 reload for the 1911.

Folks, I know I bring an often discussed topic back to light - but I think much has changed since some of the original threads on Ultrasonic cleaning liquids/solutions were posted. I just received as a gift, a Hornady Lock and Load Ultrasonic 7L cleaner. Now I am looking for effective cleaning solutions to use with it. I will be using in on several competition pistols that have been built - and thus contain stainless steel, blued steel, aluminum, polymer and plastic parts (S&W Victory race gun, Ruger Mark II Bullseye gun, M&P Pro 9L, and S&W 1911 9mm - all with various after market parts from Volquartsen, TandemKross, Wilson, Clark, Striplin, etc.). My research noted that several companies have various Ultrasonic cleaners and post cleaning lubricants. I would greatly appreciate any feed back on the associated products, their use and things to avoid. Will break this into two sections - (1) Cleaners and (2) Chemical Dryer/Lubricators. So, regarding the cleaning solutions - I was clean gun parts - cleaning every 300-500 rnds. The leaders I am seeing are: Crest Ultrasonic (Chem-Crest) Hornady Lock and Load Cleaner (One Shot) - Gun Parts Lyman Sonic Gun Cleaner Slip 2000 #725 Slip 2000 Ultrasonic Cleaner Shooter's Choice Ultrasonic Cleaner Microline 90 Brownell's Ultrasonic Cleaning Fluid M-Pro 7 L&R Mfg. Safety Weapon Cleaning Solution #215 Home grown - Ed's Red (Trany fuild, mineral spirits, kerosene); Simple Green; Lemishine & Dawn; Dawn only; Purple Power & Dawn; As to post cleaning "dunk" chemical drying/lubing, looking for water displacement and light "dry" films - not waxy or oily. I will still oil (rem oil) critical contract points Crest Ultrasonic Lube (Chem-Crest) Lyman Turbo Sonic Gun Lube Slip 2000 Ultra-Thin Gun Lube Slip 2000 EWL Brownells Ultrasonic Oil L&R Mfg. Safety Ultrasonic Weapon Lubricating Solution # 212 Home Grown - WD40; Mineral spirits & rem oil; Tranny fluid and mineral spirits/acetone; One Shot Case Lube; Ballistol; Thoughts views and experience are MORE than welcome.. Thanks!!

Thanks folks. The gun is being assembled for SC and an IDPA ESP back up if I need it (I shoot and M&P Pro in SSP). I can easily have several "captured" recoil springs to drop in so adjusting to light load and then returning to the IDPA 125 PF will be a breeze if I need to. Zack, interesting approach 95 grains bullets.. hmmm... how was the 20 yrd accuracy? What weight recoil spring did you use? Warp, I am assuming he did not have an issue stabilizing the 115gr at 900 fps? Do you know what spring weight he used on the gun? Hi-Power, damn son, 3.1grs .. wow... for a PF of 100 that's about 870 FPS .. any issues stabilizing the bullet? Was the Bullet Jacketed, Plated, or Cast? Thanks All..Very much appreciated.