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I have not shot it in a match yet, and I have no intentions of doing so because the trigger is just too heavy. That said, please don't get me wrong. I like the Sig P320, and mine, a full size equipped with a TLR on the rail is my night stand pistol. It is very accurate, looks good, the finish seems to be holding up well, and it fits my hands nicely. It's a good pointer out of the holster. And in this case, the heavy trigger works in it's favor. No AD on the BG with a 3 pound "hair trigger" to make Lawyers get all gooey eyed at the huge civil suit they'll be able to bring. Also, it's a 500 buck gun. If you use it, you lose it. I'd rather lose the 320 than one of my 1911's which cost two and three times as much. Even with all that is good about it, for ME - it's not a good competition gun for several reasons. First, I don't want to wait to have trigger work done to the gun. Second, once that trigger work is done, I don't want to be stuck having only one of two people in the country being able to fix any problems, or having replacement parts readily available to make home repairs, which would mean, for the average shooter, the gun would be down for a good amount of time. Finally, I am not convinced that the trigger work being done on these guns is actually safe. Mention was made in one of the forums about someone having issues at the nationals this year with a worked on gun going off on it's own. From a layman's view, the way the trigger works in the 320, the re positioning of the lug on the trigger that connects to the trigger bar that supposedly drops the trigger pull by a pound or two alone, can only be accomplished by preloading the trigger. Think of it as walking around with your finger partly engaging the trigger all the time. I don't think Sig ever intended for this gun to be used as a serious completion piece. There is a reason the trigger comes from the factory at 7 to 7 1/2 pounds. I would imagine this is why Apex has not modified their drop in triggers. I am sure they could easily reposition the trigger bar lug, but they don't, and you have to ask yourself why. So when the question comes up, should I get a sig p320 for the games, the answer is, it depends. If you are just shooting to have fun and want to use what you keep for home defense or what you carry, sure. If you want to be competitive, well, I personally would look at other options.

No, I'm just a guy who shoots between 2000 and 3000 rounds a month and owns a full size 320 that I've shot the crap out of. My comments are an opinion based on my experience with that gun, and I'll stand by them (and repeat them for bomadera who doesn't read threads just comments on them) Unless you are willing to spend the money (300 or so??) and wait months to have the work done, there are better choices on the market. For some of us, money isn't the issue, the wait is, along with being able to service anything that goes wrong, or have someone else take care of it, without having to take the gun out of service for extended periods of time while you wait on one of two guys to fix it.

You ought to reed what I wrote. There is no point in trying to have a conversation if you are not going to pay attention to what the other person says.

If you are shooting for fun, it's a great gun. If you want to get out of C or B class, you can do it easier with something else. Not to say it can't be done, you can pound nails with a pipe wrench, but there are better tools for the job.

If you are going to use this gun to actually compete with, I would buy something else. Unless you are willing to wait months and spend over 300 bucks to have the trigger worked on, look elsewhere for a competition gun. That is if you are serious about competing. If not, it makes for a fine home defense gun in the full size or a carry gun in the compact sizes. But don't buy a stock 320 just to compete with. There are much better choices with much better after market support.

Over on SigTalk you said.... "For a carry type trigger job you can actually install just one of Bruce's triggers (as in the trigger itself without the new sear, sear springs and etc.). That alone drops the pull by about two pounds (similar to the effect of a Glock 3.5lb connector) without affecting the relationship between the sear and striker and while maintaining stock drop safe ratings." If all I could get was a trigger that would reduce the pull by two pounds, I would buy it, but they don't seem to be available because as you said on SigTalk, "I guess it's all about who you know. I have two ;-)" Here's what this looks like. Sig hyped the crap out of this gun. They got some pretty special gun smithing done to the teams guns to give them some serious advantages in matches, and then, when they sold the crap out of them, dumped the team, the gun smith, and ultimately, the people who bought them. I can't imagine how good this gun would be if it had the Glock name on it. Like

Alma, no disrespect intended here, but as an owner of a P320, I'm curious about your comments. While I understand the Team Sig connection, you seem to be speaking for Gray Guns, so I have to ask, what is your affiliation with them? Has Gray Guns authorized you to disclose this information, or, is it just conjecture on your part? Before you go and get offended at my questions, I am acquainted with a couple of guys who used to shoot for Sig. One is a Grand Master, and I'm not sure of the other, but I can assure you, neither of them is shooting a stock P320 with a 7 1/2 pound trigger, and if I had to bet, I would bet that if either of them had some Gray Guns work done on their pistols, they didn't wait months to have it done either. I think I would also bet that if you were faced with shooting a stock P320 with that same 7 pound trigger this coming season, you might think twice about it too. I just find it a bit disingenuous to be pimping a gun that doesn't really have enough after market support for the average USPSA or other action pistol shooter to seriously consider. I would love to shoot my P320 in USPSA, and might even consider the P320 with the optic, but that 7 to 7 1/2 pound trigger is a deal breaker for anyone above B or C class.

Thank you for the reply about the primer mag tubes. My solution to the empty case bin was to use an angle bracket. It took a bit of grinding on the bracket to make it fit, but it works.

What is the issue with using the 650 primer mag tube and brass tips? Thanks

There isn't a single rule in IDPA that makes a lick of sense. They are just rules. They don't have to make sense, and, if it's "just a club match" adhered to.

I think you should try being an SO. It looks easy, but I think you might walk away with a different opinion. Nobody's perfect. I think most guys try hard to get it right. On the other hand, I know a couple of SO's who take 2 and 3 below to new levels. Once you've been around a while, at least at local matches, you'll know whose squad to avoid. Makes the day more enjoyable if you stay away from them.

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4.22.4 You can ask, but they do not have to honor your request.

Been shooting IDPA for a year now. Shot my first USPSA match today. Not much of a yardstick to measure by, but, I'm scheduled to shoot a Tier 4 IDPA sanctioned match next Sunday, and I'm seriously thinking about blowing it off to go shoot another local USPSA club match. If that tells you anything.

Am I helping to solve the problem? People always assume that someone with an opinion is bitching just for the sake of bitching. I do try to play a small part in my clubs IDPA program. I've become an SO, I have pretty much taken over our weekly practice session because everyone else has jobs and I am semi retired and have the time so I give it freely. I desiged a stage for our last club match, built all the props for it out of my pocket, set it up basically alone the day before, and I think it went well. I designed a stage for our upcomming October state shoot as well. I actually submitted 3 in total. I design most all of the stages for our Tuesday night practice sessions, and, I might add, set them up before hand by myself or with the help of one other person. So....I think I am ding something other than bitching. Maybe not. All I know is, when you have 60 shooters, divided into 6 squads, shooting 6 stages simultaneously, and on the last stage of the match there is an hour and 15 minute wait, something is amiss. I still have a lot to learn, but some things are obvious.