I remember this topic came up when the 4sec. rule came into effect. I didn't think it was fair then or now. I'll be 76 in May, my knees are shot and I need a cane to walk. I'm an A class shooter with A and M scores in some of my rated stages. When it comes to Outer Limits they become comes more like C class scores... those extra 12 seconds added on are a killer...I think they should go back to the three sec penalty, while it hurts, it would still let me competitive. I agree to just let it be about pure speed shooting, for those that can shoot and move, shoot Action Steel. Today they had their first Action Steel match at Homestead, it was a big success and will grow.