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Appreciate all the input. I compressed the extractor and springs in the vise overnight, did a little judicious filing on the hook and reinstalled. It was better but the case was still held a little tight so I reinstalled with the front spring only. I took it out for a short session. I ran 100 rounds of the same ammo from 3 mags (including a full 170mm MBX) with no issues. I'm hoping to get it out once more before the match this weekend but I'm very encouraged. Thanks again.

Yeah. I was surprised with the difference in the "fit". I was expecting the only difference in the dimensions between the two Aftecs to be on the hook. Since the 9mm is going in the same hole in the same slide with the same fitted FP block as the 38 Super I was expecting something different. I'm going to give the above suggestions a try.

Thanks all. I'm going to try all of the above one at a time starting with the spring mashing. I'll post results.

Thanks for the response.

I've got an STI GM in 38 Super. When the hook broke on the extractor last year I replaced it with an Aftec for 38 Super. Popped it in with both springs following all instructions. It has run like a top since. I decided to get a 9mm barrel fitted to "Ole Painless". I picked up a 9mm/38 SC Aftec. Popped it in with both springs according to all instructions. Way, way too much tension. I reinstalled with one spring (rear) and still too much tension. I compressed the spring for 10 - 15 seconds and still too much tension. It takes a lot to get it to turn loose of a dummy. I'm getting a lot of mis-feeds too on all magazines with 9mm, none with Super. The 38 Super Aftec supplies less than optimum tension (won't really hold an empty case) in the same gun with both springs installed but the extra rim on the Super is probably forgiving. Anyone have any suggestions? I was going to call Aftec for tech support but haven't been able to find a webpage.

Cool. I'm printing this along with my email from Troy and sticking it in my range bag. I need to find some scales.

Thanks for the update. I'll make plans accordingly.

How is Carry Optics shaping up as a recognized Division? Thinking about switching.

I asked NROI: I recently purchased a Performance Center 4.25 inch M&P for use in USPSA Production and Carry Optics. I am sure you are familiar with this gun. It came with a ported and a non-ported barrel. The non-ported is threaded and about 5 inches long. It also has a factory ported slide. Is this gun legal for Production and CO in the non-ported factory configuration or am I restricted to limited and Open? Thank you. NROI Response: It's legal in the non-ported version for both divisions if it's on the list.

Maybe the non-members should also be exempted from pasting/resetting targets, keeping score and running timers too. That way it will be all about them and members can be their......[emoji6] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thanks to Elizabeth, Brad and all the staff for a great match. The stages were great (except for that one target ) and the staff was excellent. As good a bunch of RO's as I've been around. Burgers were good too! It was a very well run match over all.

Did you do cut outs or did it come that way? Looks factory. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Not blue but I run BBI exclusively in 125, 135, 160 and 230 grn bullets in Open, limited, revolver and SS. No leading up to 1400 fps.

I'm no expert. I drop parts in Glocks, polish S&W internals and have a good set of punches and screwdrivers. I just wanted to share this recent experience with a new STI. Got my brand new discontinued STI GM in 38 Super. What a beautiful thing! I picked it up from my small town USA FFL delivery with much pageantry. We passed it around, racked the slide, felt the trigger, turned on the dot and just generally admired it. The Owner of the shop admitted this was the first one they had ever received or even seen. One of the girls that works there seemed a little left out so I asked if she would like to check it out before I left. She sheepishly said “I already have. I checked it out when it came in”. I don’t blame you, I replied. I took it home, showed it to the wife (“yep, that’s pretty”) and took off to the basement. My brass and dies came in the next day from Starline and Midway. By that time I had field stripped, wiped it down and re-lubed. I proceeded to load up some 125 grn. BBI’s to my 9mm major recipe. This load only produced about 155 pf. as opposed to 170 in my Glock. Turned a few more flats on the powder measure which produced about 168 pf. Problem was the gun was not extracting. The slide was just barely moving with these loads. I got on Benos and discovered several posts on faulty new STI’s. Somehow I missed these when I was deciding to buy one. One of the posts had an STI quote saying to run 100-500 175 pf rounds thru it to break it in. Turned the measure again and got in the 174 range but the gun still wasn’t cycling enough to reach the ejector. By this time I’m starting to look at warranty return information. Since it was Friday and nobody was home at STI I decided to think on it more over the weekend. I read a lot of the forums and decided to do some backyard troubleshooting. First I racked the slide several hundred times til my hands got raw, wiping and re-lubing along the way. Next, I ran 10 190 pf rounds (124 grn. Jacketed). It was still a single shot and only barely bumping the ejector enough to release the spent case. It still wasn’t ejecting or coming to the rear enough to pick up the next round. I decided to forget it was a brand new factory gun and just act like I had thrown a bunch of parts on a frame and do what I would do. The slide was very smooth. The gun failed the same way with or without the magazine installed. My first guess was that the recoil spring was too heavy. I trimmed 2 coils off the recoil spring and it started cycling 175 pf but still stovepiping every few rounds. Progress! I trimmed 2 more coils and it started running 175’s no problem. I dropped back to 170ish and it started running. It hasn’t jammed in a couple of hundred and fifty rounds. I used all the new STI magazines with no problems. The cases are all exiting nicely in an arc landing 3 to 4 feet away. I think it’s going to be really nice. I’m figuring STI must have installed the “Heavy” recoil master instead of the “Light” called for with the 38 Super. I tried to call STI Monday but wasn’t able to get thru so I ordered a light spring from SC. BTW, this gun did not come with a test target.

Maybe this was all a ploy by ICORE to drop the price of 625's. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thanks for the input. Got a reply from USPSA and my hf was confirmed on CM 09-04 as 100%. If there was any doubt.......I guess this shows that a C shooter with an minor 8 shot, in certain situations, can out-shoot a much higher skilled shooter with a major 6 gun. However, it also shows there is some good logic applied in the classification system/process to help protect the reliability and competition. One of the online classifier calculators determined this hf was in the 69% range so the disclaimers are true. Apparently someone posted a score for this classifier to that site that was not validated by the USPSA and included in the classification system.

Interesting....Which classifier?

I don't think the 100% is really recorded. It was marked with an "A" noting it was invalid. I sent USPSA an email a couple of months ago to see if the score marked with an "A" might be reinstated in the future but I didn't get a reply. The way I read the description the "A" marking is (paraphrasing) it's too high (>15% above your class), score was improperly recorded, stage wasn't setup properly, etc. So, I think once it's marked invalid it stays invalid and would not be used for any scoring for me or anyone else. Just sayin'.

There is also a parameter for a score of a 15 percent or more above your current class being disqualified as an invalid score Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

To start, I am a pretty solid C shooter in revolver. Over the past few months I have had two classifiers that were marked invalid by the USPSA classifier system. One was a 78% and the other a 100%. Neither was executed above my current skill level. Both were good runs (no mikes) but not phenomenal. One was CM 09-13 Table Stakes. My 4.14 hf scored a 78%. The second one was CM 09-04 Pucker Factor. My hf of 6.08 scored a 100%. Ha! My theory is that the bar was set on these prior to the 8 shot rule and both require a reload with a six shot. Therefore, without the reload, my scores are too high for my classification in comparison to the scores on file and are being marked "invalid". Is anyone else experiencing these issues? Also, if I'm shooting higher scores than I should be so is everyone else with an 8 shot until a top level shooter resets the 100% bar.

I think there were more like 12 or 13 signed up in January before the stages were posted.

I'm new to this game but have always been a big revolver fan. I started with my old model 66 and speed loaders at the local match and quickly started looking for a moonclip gun. I ran across a 625 and pounced on it. Still for me this was a challenging introduction to USPSA but a lot of fun. I got an opportunity to trade a shotgun for a TRR8 while the rule change was in legislature. I was planning on using it in steel challenge. The first practical match after the change I took the 8 shot. What a blast! The awkward static reloads all but disappeared. Novice shooters can and will have a much better experience the way most courses are set up with eight if the revolver is the toy they prefer. Our club has seen an increase in wheel gun participation and competition with veteran major shooters winning over us novice minors but now they have to work for it. It's all good. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

An interesting statistic...... according to my count of the posted roster, 42% of the 85 shooters signed up for nationals are shooting minor.