racerba

I agree...It's not perfect, not every ranking/handicap system ever is. yes, there are those who are classified a little low and a few who are classified a little high...but in general, most people are where they should be.

But because we have gone through years of testing, almost everything has been tried. But I believe in innovation and these people who tries to think outside the box will sometimes find a better and quicker way. I don't fault people for trying...it's an essential part of our sport - to find and build a better mouse trap.

I said i was being generous...

It can be done with wrists below belt... My comment is that if you switch to this start position, how much time are you going to save vs your normal hands at side? - it is not a normal start position, so you will not be as fluent as if you were to start with hands at side. more start position will be with hands at sides... - assumed you were fluent, you're going to save like 0.2 seconds (maybe - I think I'm being generous here)?? is it worth the risk for the small percentage of the time saved? - and you are talking about your weak hand, which has little to do with the motion of the gun going from holster to ready to fire position... Let's put this into perspective: you will save 0.2 sec on a 5 second stage...let's say it's a 32 round course (impossible for a 5 sec stage - but let's go with that) and you shoot all Alphas: 160/5 = 32 HF 160/4.8 = 33.33 HF So you gain just over a point on a perfect high HF stage...is it worth the risk???

you are not wrong - I will change my wording next time...

unfortunately, there are some ROs out there that are looking for anything to ding a shooter for...

but usually never the other way around... yes, a shooter has skipped a target from a position than 99% of the shooters took it...and you make a mental note of such...then they takes the target from another position and sometimes you catch it and sometimes you don't... That's why i will tell the shooter that I think he skipped a target and wait to see if there is/are hits on the target...if they know they shot it, they will usually tell you that they took it from this position or that position...

if you are placing the magnet on the borderline where if you put a mag on it, it cross the line to being illegal, are you really gaining anything? if the magnet is an inch further back, is that going to handicap you that much???

Agree with Nik here. As an experienced RO, you know which targets can be engaged where...if the shooter skips a target at the first location, I'm expecting them to engage it at the other position or even the third position. usually in the memory stage, about a quarter of the targets can only be engaged in one particular position...so that eliminates about 4 targets that you have to remember more than one position for. there are those times someone will shoot a target from some obscured position, but then it's usually a target I thought they missed but then there are hits so no FTSA.

basically, any holster that covers the gun all around in front of the ejection port and covers the whole trigger guard. I have a Red Hill Tactical holster and they are very solid. not too expensive and worth it...

sure he can...you don't need a gun in your hand to see if the 180 is being broken or not. you can also tell the shooter that if they shoot it from there, they are in danger of breaking the 180 (if it's that close). you are not telling the shooter how to shoot the stage, but you can tell them how NOT to shoot it if it's a dangerous action...like telling them they can't shoot uprange at a target...

well, previously, if you didn't specify hand position, the default is "hands at sides". that's why it's "overlooked" nowadays...

To be fair, he's not showing the reloads for competition... Yes, he would be DQed...

Doesn't help when someone sells an item within the editing period and replaces the price with "Sold"...

compete with Glock Carried Glocks Mostly carry 365 now for the size...still carry Glocks every now and then...Home defense pistol is a Glock...

my suggestion is go with a Micro Red Dots like the STS/RTS on a Lobo mount. Lobo makes great low profile mounts for various MRDs. the classic C-more is too big for that gun...IMHO.

I have different rigs...

many moons ago... it is not about us against them...we don't let shooters do things to get DQ if we can help it. not only does it save the shooter, but it may save the peanut gallery if you don't let the shooter sweep them...

Yes I am, and I said before that I agree it's not a range command. In the class, it is also noted that we are to assist the shooter to safely complete the course. I will not knowingly have the shooter accidentally point his gun uprange when I can prevent it. Part of what I can do is issue the STOP command. I will stop a competitor from doing something dangerous if I can help it. yes, there are competitors from around the world that English is not their first language. however, what they expect is ULSC. if they did not understand "face downrange", they are still going to ULSC because that's what they expect to hear...if they don't break the 180, no harm-no foul. If they break the 180...they were going to do so anyway. I see no harm in trying to prevent a dangerous action. What you say is more important to not make idol chit chat at the beginning of the course of fire. the shooter comes to the line and expects to hear Make Ready. if you do idle chit chat, the shooter may make ready without you giving the MR command thinking you gave the MR command..

I can respect that, and I understand...but I'm there to help them be safe. Yes, I realize it's not authorized range command...but I rather not see the shooter let one off while the gun is pointing uprange. I don't get that much involved with all that wording...I just remind them - face downrange, ULSC. if they don't listen...then it's on them. I rather stop them before they holster an unsafe gun than to let them blow their foot off...worse yet, blow MY foot off...

With that clarification, I agree that a DQ would have been justified... However, you watched him unzipping the bag...at that point, you should have reminded him to point the bag towards the side berm. I realized you have no obligation to do so, but remember, we, as ROs, are here to assist the shooter by monitoring their actions. if possible, we try to prevent any unsafe actions about to be committed by the competitor. similar to at the end of the stage and the shooter is facing to the right(right handed shooter) of the bay (179). I would generally advise the shooter to face down range and ULSC.

but he wasn't at the side berm, according to the OP. I'm guessing that there was a table near the start position where the shooter was trying to unbag and eventually unbagged after the downrange competitor moved. OP was standing near him to have the discussion of said competitor. once the competitor moved to a safe location, the shooter removed the PCC and they both walked to the line (start position) where the shooter commenced with making ready without the make ready command. this is the scenario that I'm thinking happened. more clarification is needed to correctly determine if removing the PCC from the bag warrants a DQ. I don't think it's cut and dry as earlier posters think it is.

I agree with your explanation. I'm not arguing the legitimacy of his DQ of the shooter making ready before the command. The OP was questioning if he should have DQ the shooter for uncasing before going to the line. I just wanted to know if the shooter was under the impression that he was under the supervision of the RO when he uncased the PCC. because according the the OP, it could be that the shooter was under the assumption he was under the supervision of the RO since he was there watching the downrange competitor with the shooter. depending on the situation, it may not be a DQ - it makes a big difference.

you don't need to give the command "make ready" for the shooter to be "under RO supervision"...

I agree that standing in front of the shooter would have stopped him from uncasing the PCC. My other question is where were you in relation to the shooter and was he under the impression that he was under direct RO supervision? since you cleared (or though you cleared) the downrange competitor. either way, both of you watch the other competitor moved up-range. did you turn to the shooter and said anything like "OK - he's out of the way" or "OK - go ahead". any of these actions may have put the shooter in the mind set of being under direct supervision of the RO. the other thing you could or should have done is tell the shooter to go to the berm to uncase or tell hum to bring the bagged PCC to the starting line and uncase it there. There are little things you could do to assist the shooter to be safe and within the rules.