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  1. Is this new law? In other words, we should outlaw all options on all products? I run a small manufacturing firm, and most of our products have options and upgrades. Our customers love it that way. I suspect overwhelmingly so do the Dillon customers. To me the premium they charge over their competition is more than justified by their quality... and apparently I am not alone. Yes, they could have rolled in all the options into their standard packages, but I would argue that I would not like that, as I do not need some of them - namely I never use their strong mount and powder sensors, among others, and with the bullet feeder their bullet tray also becomes unneeded. You're in manufacturing right? What is the cost difference between the manufacture of the non-roller handle compared to the roller handle? $1.00? $5.00? $10.00? IDK, and neither do you (ok, so I am ASSuming here, maybe you priced it out but I know I have not) but I doubt it's more than a dollar or two per handle. That was the entire point. I am in business myself and I don't ever give stuff away. Neither should Dillon. The only way to answer this for sure is to KNOW exactly what the price point difference is, and how many users actually upgrade. IMHO, if it's under 75% I would not offer it any way besides as an upgrade.It just seems to me that most guys I hear of have the roller handle, or they get it later and love it. So in the end it's all a numbers guess, and we DON'T have the numbers.
  2. Because they are a business not a charity. They are in business to make money. Not to give away free upgrades that their competitors don't even offer. He wasn't suggesting that Dillon should "give away" the roller handle. He is suggesting that the cost diffence between the two is possibly insignificant. Therefore, install the roller handle O.E.M. That's all. With what Dillon charges for their stuff it should come with all the bells and whistles.
  3. SAee post #20. If the shoe fits...slip it on. So I have owned a Load Master, Lee Classic Turret, Hornady LnL, 550 and 650. I think that gives me a little insight into what works and what doesn't. How many have you owned? The only two on that list I would not recommend is the Load Master and the LnL. I have owned a LM, but I started with a "Rock Crusher" because I went on a forum and all the so-called (read:self-called "guru's") said that was the schizz. I gave that slow, stupid POS away. Now all of you who have that press or similar and love it goodie for you. To ME, it is worthless. So actually the LM came second. Then I bought the LCT because everyone (again all you experts) said I didn't have enough experience to use a progressive, because as you know, the LM won't make 20 rounds in a row without some sort of infarktion. Again, typical Lee quality. I made the idiotic mistake of giving that albatross ( the LCT, slow, indexing issues and just general Lee overall crap stuff) to my father-in-law. I spent too much time helping him (because he was damn sure he'd make it usefull...he now manually indexes the junker) so now I reload most of his high volume stuff on the LnL AP (9mm). So I decided that the internet is what it is. With all the bad advise I recieved, I skipped asking the "pro's", went to a store that had the LnL AP and actually looked at it. The manager hated the press and was trying to talk me out of it! Seriously! Costing the store owner a sale! He has a 550. He invited me to the house to see/use it. Luckily I did. Wasn't impressed. So I went back and bought the LnL AP. The dude with the Dillon is now looking for work, becuase I explained to the boss (the store owner) he was literally stealing from him. Maybe he'll sell the 550 to make a rent payment. So I have more experience than you think. So stop trolling around, constantly running doen the LnL AP. You've had your day in the sun.
  4. Did this get fixed?????????????? Because it nevers happens.
  5. I had a similar problem - give hornady customer service a call they will send you a replacement spider gear (the thing the pawls drive on ) cured my indexing problem no issue. The primer tube just needs some jb weld or stick a star screwdriver down the end and expand it a fraction the original was a press fit careful you dont block the tube with anything and stop the primers from getting through. Tim Ijust fixed the problem of high primers, and now, I get the problem of the timing staying off center. Does Hornady think this is something acceptable? They mostly deny all reported problems with priming. Are we supposed to beta test these presses for them? It seems we are paying them to develop their technology. Why do they not fix this? I have seen A LOT of reported problems with these presses. The Hornady techs I have talked to say they do not monitor the internet, so they do not have any knowledge of these problems. It just seems like bad business to me. I REALLY wanted this LNL AP press to work for me. I will just sell it, and replace it with something that will work without all the problems, that Hornady does not seem to aknowledge. When you buy the Dillon and it has problems will you be this negative. If you called me on the phone with your attitude I would hang up. Your best option is sell the press. You won't be happy til you (and probably not even then). I did not mention a "Dillon". You did. I'll sell you this press in a heartbeat. YOU can deal with it. I'll buy an RCBS, if it will work. Tell your bosses at Hornady you screwed this one up. BTW, I'm almost sure I did talk to you when I called Hornady customer support. You sound just like them. Read all my other posts on this subject, befor you make a comment... but I guess you already did... TROLL. I don't work for Hornady. I said get the Dillon to make yourself happy. Don't be a sissy. If you don't like something, go ahead, bitch a little in public then get on with it. Go buy something else. Just make sure that when you have issues with the other color of press you buy (and you WILL have issues because some guys can break a bowling ball in a sandbox) just make sure you are as public about that. And remember, don't be a cry baby and call people trolls. Do yourself a favor and buy the Dillon, as you KNOW that is what you WANTED anyway.
  6. To the OP....If you have loaded that many rounds on a Dillon (any Dillon) you will probably NOT like the LnL. They are almost opposite in every function. If you adjust and adapt well you should be ok, but if you are a guy who likes consistancy you won't care for the LnL. Again, I question the primer seating issue. Go measure a SPP case, at primer pocket depth, then meausre a SPP. There isn't much more than .001/.002 below flush there. Someone else here posted they think the Dillon crushes the primer SLIGHTLY, therefore it looks below flush more than it is.I have never ever had a high primer, in either SPP or LPP.
  7. I had a similar problem - give hornady customer service a call they will send you a replacement spider gear (the thing the pawls drive on ) cured my indexing problem no issue. The primer tube just needs some jb weld or stick a star screwdriver down the end and expand it a fraction the original was a press fit careful you dont block the tube with anything and stop the primers from getting through. Tim Ijust fixed the problem of high primers, and now, I get the problem of the timing staying off center. Does Hornady think this is something acceptable? They mostly deny all reported problems with priming. Are we supposed to beta test these presses for them? It seems we are paying them to develop their technology. Why do they not fix this? I have seen A LOT of reported problems with these presses. The Hornady techs I have talked to say they do not monitor the internet, so they do not have any knowledge of these problems. It just seems like bad business to me. I REALLY wanted this LNL AP press to work for me. I will just sell it, and replace it with something that will work without all the problems, that Hornady does not seem to aknowledge. When you buy the Dillon and it has problems will you be this negative. If you called me on the phone with your attitude I would hang up. Your best option is sell the press. You won't be happy til you (and probably not even then).
  8. You said you had "bugs" with the LnL that took a while to work out. Mind saying what the bugs were. I know I'm interested. Thanks The LnL did not seat the primers flush. I researched the LnL before I bought it. Most of the information I found was Blue vs. Red stuff. High primers were reported, but no more than Dillon. I found the rest of the posts (high primers) after I bought the press, and had the same problem. The problem occured with both large, and small primers, with different shellplates. The "fixes" I found was anything from glueing a coin to the frame, to changing out the subplate. I did it all. Hornady was good about sending parts at no charge. They sent new primer-ram assemblys, and a new subplate. None of this worked. Most of Hornady's techs were patient and courteous, but one of the techs told me that he had never heard of that problem before. I doubt that, because I found posts about high primers going back to 2006. I finally fixed the problem. The LnL will finally seat the primers flush, but not below flush. I tried the loads at the range, and all function just fine. The "fix" was adjusting the timing, and more important, replacing the case retention spring. The original spring had a very small kink in it. It was so small, I did not think it would cause a problem. The last Hornady tech I spoke to was the one that suggested the spring. He said the springs are sometimes too tight, causing the case to tip ever so slightly. I also had to press a .38 Special case onto the adjustable rod that actuates the case-feeder pivot block. The rod was too short, and would not move the pivot block enough to drop a case. This was adjusted all the way out. The 38 case made the rod long enough to do it's job, and provide additional adjustment. I became very frustrated trying to rectify the high primer problem, and purchased a Dillon RL550b from Brian. There may be some "Blue snobbery" out there, but I loaded over 100 rounds after I set the 550 and had no problems. I have some friends that have, and recommend, the Dillon 550. I have found that I can actually load faster on the 550, than I can on the LnL, and the LnL has a case-feeder. There are a lot of people out there that swear by the LnL. They report no problems at all. I still use mine. Right now, I have the LnL configured for small primers, and the 550 configured for large primers. One last thing: The LnL had to be taken apart and cleaned with a solavent to remove the anti-rust oil applied at the factory. I used the Hornady One Shot, as was recommended by the factory. I went through two cans of it, at $8.00 per can. I used the One Shot to clean all of my new dies as well, so I think you can get by on one can for the press. One Shot is a good product (I bought another can). When I set the Dillon 550, I called Brian and asked if I needed to clean the press parts before use, like the Hornady, because I did not find instructions to do so in the press literature. Brian told me that the 550's ship ready to load, no cleaning required. I am happy to have both presses, but if I had known how much work it is to clean the LnL, and how much trouble I would have with it, I would have passed on the LnL and just bought the Dillon. The solution to the LnL's problem was simple, but the trouble-shooting took a long time and was frustrating. I hope this information helps. I guess if the primers were seating "high" (as in not pressed far enough into the case)you could take the part that holds the pin in the press (the primer pin goes through a nut that has male threads on one end and the pin is retained by a clip) and machine .020-.030 off the bottom of the nut. This would allow the pin to push the primer further in the case. Seems like it would work better than a nicle or something.
  9. You said you had "bugs" with the LnL that took a while to work out. Mind saying what the bugs were. I know I'm interested. Thanks
  10. Jesus didn't say that. Please show me the quote. I'd love to see it. But mixed in all this zen garbage I thought I maybe just found some sense. But alas I did not. Maybe i tried to hard. Or not hard enough. Maybe I should just be. Or not be. Zen just does NOT make sense. Or maybe it does. Naw, it don't. S........S........
  11. I always say to stay away from anything Lee (even the dies). We all get sucked in by the price but the quality just isn't there.I also take issue with buying a press that you KNOW you will upgrade from in the future. If you can run a 4 slice pop up toaster you should be able to reload with a progressive. Get something, anything (except Lee) in a progressive and run it single stage until you get the hang of it. Then you just reload progressively. I know a whole bunch of poeple will come on here and poo-poo me and say don't start with a progressive...it's too hard...you will kill yourself and the 10 closest people to you. It's not true. It is POSSIBLE (I know people who can break a bowling ball in a sand box without tools) but any 8th grade grauate SHOULD be able to start with a progressive. Generally, those who try to argue with me did it the wrong way (IMHO which I am entitled to), don't want to admit it and want you to follow in their godlike footsteps. They would probably tell you the earth is flat. Just stop and think for a while. Then buy any non-Lee progressive and start reloading. Save you money that you spend on a non-progressive on something else.
  12. That's exactly the point, there really isn't a market equivalent to a Lee progressive. A P1K is $150, a Loadmaster $220... both complete with dies and case feeders. Of course Dillon presses are better made, but they are also 4x the cost. I think the argument is whether "good enough" fits your personal circumstance, or whether you're willing to pay more for a more enjoyable reloading experience. That said I've seen several people content with their Lee having never owned a blue press, but I've never seen anyone actually get rid of their Dillon press for a Lee. -StaTiK- You are making my points for me. Even though the Lee is cheaper, it is a 5 station, auto indexing progressive. It has market contemporaries. That would be the Dillon 650 and the LnL AP. Don't look at purchase price as a starting point. The Dillon or Hornady will blow the doors off the Lee any day. So while you are trying to get the loadmaster to feed primers, the rest of us will be out shooting. After 5 years of service, you will still have a loadmaster. Never look at purchase price to make a decision.
  13. Now that it HAS been established that you DO need and FFL to "sell" reloaded ammo (and you damn sure do need an FFL) let me say that not anyone gets and FFL. There is a huge amount of work that goes into gettting (and keeping) an FFL. You don't just scratch out a check and get one in the mail. Then, if you are a smart business man, you need a big insurance policy to cover the business and YOU. There are unwritten rules of business. 1. You WILL pay taxes. 2. You WILL get sued. If you screw up in either you will pay the price. Either go by the book, or don't sell, trade, barter or even give away reloaded ammo. You are asking to lose your home and whatever else the attorneys can get. you have been warned.............................................................S........S...........
  14. The short answer is: YES. Buy what you want, but lower your expectations GREATLY if you expect ANY Lee product to compete with its market equivelent. Buyer Beware.
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