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Tis, I am really new to precision shooting and "precision" reloading. I threw the F class thing out there but had no idea .179 was possible so I must be off the mark with accuracy expectations. I shot a few rounds through a friends gun (Rob O.) the other day. I think maybe I had a shotgun pattern but still 1 MOA at 100yards which is normally better that I shoot with my gun. So then he shoots a few rounds and has basically one hole. It was then I realized I couldn't shoot well enough to even zero his gun and most likely my gun either. I hope you find the right combination for your setup.

11# recoil springs seems on the light side with a 135PF. I think many/most are running 13#. You must be using a light striker spring to prevent unlock. Besides inspecting everything I would try a 13#. I've been using the same mags since 2006, I have replaced the springs once with wolff extra power.

So even though I said I was new to this game, looks like I'm not fare off from "dauntedfuture" and "redial". 38 superman, your post about being able to shoot 1/4" groups all day long with a bench rest gun with a 2 oz trigger after shooting BR for the first time in your life last weekend is still stuck in my throat. If that's the case you should take up F class as I think you would be killing those fellas. All in good fun, David E.(new guy to long range 308)

Hey Rob, I'm off tomorrow and plan to head to the range in the a.m. I could stop by and take those scopes/rifles off your hands and try to sight them in for ya while you're at work! It does sound like the new Vortex is impressive. David

On the same token looking at it from a mechanical perspective, if all your rounds are mechanically the same the result should be a given accuracy (.5 MOA, 1.0 MOA, 1.5 MOA or 5 MOA) not 4 great (.5 MOA) and one/two flyers. If you verify all your loads are equally produced the result should be consistent/equal, be it good or bad. There is much discussion about the 1 MOA all day long but for that one flyer and the cause of that one flyer. In any case, it sounds like you are ahead of me in the Precision Rifle game. Good Luck! David E.

Just so happens I have a 308 savage I have been practicing with for my first PR match coming up in Aug. I was getting groups like you discussed, 3-4 shots touching or almost one hole and a flyer or two. After much reading and watching the SnipersHide online videos I now think I am the weak link; NPA, body position, recoil management, follow-through. I don't know what your rifle shooting experience is besides what you stated. I have some 3-gun experience, 10" MGMs out to 400yds or so and while not anywhere near a great pistol shooter (SSP MA) I do have some abilities but my precision shooting skills apparently leave a lot to be desired. Just asking, do you shoot other rifles better than this one? If so, then OK it's the rifle/load. If not? David E. Maybe ROB O. Team Blaster will chime in. Knows more about 308 PR than????

I have leave the clamp on mine and use a simple swivel stud screwed into the center hole, some washers to time it and red Loctite. When installing the extension tube I tighten the coupling first and then thread on the tube leaving it 1/2 turn from hand tight and then install the clamp. So on my gun the clamp has no effect on slug POI from cold to hot. Thanks to Dan S. for the 1/2 turn info. David E.

From my little bit of RO/3-gun experience there seems to be some good improvements/choices for "long range" targets that are easy to call and don't require resetting/painting between shooters. I think the combination of people with a lot of experience and those new to the sport will result in new ideas that can work under demanding match conditions. I know I have had some prop and stage designs that looked good on paper but either didn't work at all or couldn't survive the match duration/conditions. Glad to see it! Sorry for the thread hijack, not trying to start an endless debate over target/stage/match design.

So what would be the max distance for these? Would a 10" hanging plate with these backers be a good substitute for an MGM flasher? Just wondering.

Dan and I talked about the backers, I just didn't think the corrugated plastic would last very long.

Great match Howard. Thanks to all the ROs that planned, worked, set-up and broke down. The match ran very smoothly which indicates to me much planning and preparation was done in advance and it was worth the drive (6 1/2hrs). A few things stood out to me: - no failed props/complicated resets/movers = consistent stage presentation for all shooters from first to last. - easy re-sets - the backers on the rifle steel; made them visible and seemed to last the entire match without attention. - The clay target hooks seem to be the way to go. What type of backers were you using on the steel? Did they last through 2 days? Will we be using them at FNH? David E.

I went from your same condition to shooting with no correction. I'm slightly nearsighted and so pistol and shotgun front sights are clear and scope adjusted for correction, works great. I also used a weak prescription for a while in both eyes and adjusted the scope diopter to compensate, worked fine but pistol front sight was not the best. I think as long as you can see the pistol front sight clearly seeing the target in perfect focus in not as important for pistol/shotgun. Rifle must be perfectly clear and compensating with both prescription glasses and the scope diopter should not cause any issues if you need correction.

Hi Dan, 325? Dang, seemed farther to me, must be my 1-3x and/or my memory is on it's way out!

I don't have my 34 in front of me but I'm thinking the spring legs resting in the grooves on the pins are what keep them in place not simple friction in the block or frame. Same as an AR hammer spring. Or I'm just wrong.

I watched Jerry M shoot through a port (in a covered wooden bunker) at FNH last year on our stage. You had to shoot either kneeling or crouching as the port was too high for reverse kneeling. Targets (MGM flashers) to 425 I think. This was the last shooting position for the stage. He put the rifle through the port touching the magwell and tight into the corner of the port. He of course shot a great time on the stage and I think had one miss with rifle. I shot the same way the day before and it gives you a stable, almost locked position. Many shooters, some very good shooters, had trouble with this stage trying to shoot kneeling with only their handguard on the port. Since it was the last shooting position you didn’t lose any time getting back out of the position.