I decided to order one of these today. I'm looking at a 3000 round batch of 9mm, and handing those little cases pains me. And every time I take my hand off the lever to grab a case, I think what a waste that motion is. I ran the numbers, and the upgrade to a 650 didn't look right at this time. But I wouldn't question the wisdom of anyone who decided the 650 was a better upgrade for their situation. I don't have the experience one way or another. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk